A random thought

If the producers implemented a strict single use method
HOW would this affect home printing if the first (and only legal)
printing failed due to printer malfunction, electricity going out (fusem lightning strike, floods, city grid failure, whatever)?
Would the customer have to buy a new single use licence?
How would the producer verify that there was indeed a justified “warranty” claim?
Large scale electricity failures might be verifiable but “nobody” can verify that the
lamp bought from a thrift store blew the fuse while the print was ongoing.

Yes, I can f–k up when building a kit but then I, and everyone else, knows that the
kit was delivered as advertised and the failure is all mine.

Could the printers have some sort of identity that gets coded into the STL-file?
I enter my printers code when I buy the STL, the seller enters the printer id into the
STL and then STL will only print on that specific printer.
I could re-print for my personal use if the print fails
BUT
I could also print multiple copies and sell the printed items.

No answers, just questions …

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interesting idea, and with the speed of modern technology quite a potentially possible answer. I run a small UK resin printing business with 10 printers, and as you say, printing errors are common. Regrettably issues happen if the resin is too hot/cold, it the resin hasn’t been well shaken, if the settings aren’t suitable for the current temp/humidity, if you have a new FEP installed etc etc. This doesn’t even include the random issues that happen for no reason. If you are buying a STL file of one object, say a rifle, and an issue occurs, then you lose 100% of you purchase, albeit a small cost. If just one part of a kit fails then I guess there is the possibility of the provider sending a STL file of that part only. The obvious answer would be to stream the STL file directly from the supplier to the printer, which could offer feedback on whether a successful print was achieved.

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Assuming ones internet connection doesn’t suddenly decide to have a bad day and start glitching.
Buffering could solve some issues but I presume that printers don’t appreciate a sudden interruption in the flow of instructions?

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Agreed! It seems that more and more 3D-printed resin models are just that: models, not kits to be built. Now, I see there is a market for completed models for table top gaming or for those who just enjoy the painting aspect of the hobby. I, however, would like to see more 3D-printed resin kits that allow us to enjoy the build, and also make modifications to the kits as needed. But I think creating a kit for building requires additional skills that is not needed when “just” making a 3D-model, which is why we don’t see as many new companies offering this solution.

Case in point, I’ve been thinking about getting a Polaris Dagor A1 kit and mod it to look like the version used by the Swedish Armed Forces. However, this vehicle is currently only available from two sources - both of which are complete resin prints without any assembly (thus little room for modification: [1] and The Forge from France (currently not being sold in 1/35).

ETA: The YUFAN kit does require assembly.


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lol, I think this is a vague attempt at solutionizing. In theory if the link is broken this will be automatically reported to the supplier and the live download will remain in your ‘purchased items’, ie reset. I think what we are saying is that there’s a likely solution, but it still requires technology to advance a little, both to printing methods and online robustness. In all probability, this is the future though.

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Programming experience:
Ignoring minor odd cases, sometimes very odd cases, often leads to costly rework later.
The odd cases that will never happen usually turn up …

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I don’t know where the future of 3D printing is going with regards to model building (model MAKING?). The major obstruction to wider spread use appears to me to be creating the .stl files and configuring them for actual printing (orienting, hollowing, supporting, slicing, etc.), so I imagine that the next evolutionary “step” would probably be in design software to make it more user-friendly by non-experts or the incorporation of AI by the average modeler to create printable files of new objects.

All of this seems to me to take the hobby of scale modeling off in a direction away from actually building and physically crafting models into a realm of virtual model making. This is similar to what you can now see with graphic arts where the artist is instructing the machine to actually create the image according to the artist’s own vision. However - and we’ve touched on this many times - how much of replicating an already existing object in scale is craft and how much of it is art? Rendering a 3D picture of a tank by instructing an AI bot to do so, and then using that same bot to “skin” the “model” may require some imagination on the part of the “modeler,” but how much skill and craft and challenge is there?

So, perhaps the next actual REVOLUTION vice EVOLUTION is a divergence of scale modeling into two branches - one virtual and computer driven, and the other traditional and driven by hand-crafting skills. This might be something along the divergence of wooden ship modeling from plastic ship modeling or flying models from static aircraft models or RC car models from static auto models. In other words, something quite fundamental and very divergent.

One can see the fringes and hints of this divergence in static scale modeling already with “snap together” and “Lego-type” kits. However, there are still more similarities between the modeler who constructs a Lego-type model with another plastic scale modeler building a traditional kit than there are between the virtual artist and a traditional painter or illustrator. In the future of scale modeling, perhaps the divergence will be similar between the 3D / CAD modeler and the traditional kit modeler, and perhaps for the same reasons why some ship modelers still choose to build with wood and strings.

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I think with the future of 3D printing, more and more sellers around the world can enter the hobby. I have bought very rare resin model kits from Italy, South America, Eastern Europe, China, Russia, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, England, Western Europe, etc. Modeling “blurs the lines” as to which nation is friend and foe because if one knows how to do business properly, then it’s business and not politics or religion or whatever contentious conflicts you see and read in the news.

As such, one has to beware of scammers also. With a 3D printer, one can print and make online scams as well. A LOT of new sellers are entering the modeling marketplace and many of these sellers probably never built (m)any models before. It really makes one wonder about the large powerhouse model kit manufacturers and if they can compete well.

There will always be resin recasts as well, and if you’re lucky, some of the rare resin kits will be released again, but don’t bet on it. I’ve waited years, decades, for some of the OOP resin kit makers to be revived and I’ve read posts about someone buying the original molds and saying that they’ll restart the company under a new name but nothing has happened…life, family, finances, support, time, effort, other interests, and health issues play a role in business ventures…after all, this is a hobby that competes with sports, movies, video games, social media, smartphones, music, families and relatives, pets, etc.

I don’t see much hope for new modeling forums starting though. Unless someone (younger) wants to start a new online modeling forum, the forum Administrators and owners for the existing modeling forums are middle to senior age by now, and have doing this for decades.

I also think that modeling is going towards the rich and middle class. I never had anyone who was poor ask me for a free model kit because frankly, modeling is still a dangerous hobby that uses razor blades, knives, generates dust, uses super glue, has fumes and many tiny parts, etc. It’s not for kids, and the modeling forums reflect this, as hardly any kids post on the modeling forums. “Ages 14 and up” means just that, and even as a teenager, I totally stank at building models because I didn’t have the patience, time, or the money to finance all of the tools, airbrushes, and paints, and my modeling skills were primitive back then. It wasn’t until college art classes that I’ve learned how to spend money on art supplies because the semester Art class required it from the list of mandatory art tools and equipment. Without fulfilling the lists, a college student is going to be very embarrassed by not having all of the personal artist items because borrowing in class was frowned upon and hardly anyone did it…why are you taking this art class when you aren’t prepared for it? No one wants to say that they can’t afford the art supplies because the college(s) didn’t provide them (for fear or abuse and stealing). In college, with one’s own art supplies, one learns to value, cherish, and take care of one’s own art tools that last from one semester to another—college Electives—they’re required to graduate.

Finally, this is model kit building, a hobby, and I stress that because on social media, real artists from all over the world make art that sell for hundreds to thousand to millions of dollars (hopefully). Why build model kits that aren’t sold for profit when a starving artists can create unique and exquisite art to feed the family with one or a few sales? Many true artists exist where art is their career and that is not a hobby; it’s their “bread and butter” and they have to make sales for profit. We modelers don’t have that same mindset and spend money on a hobby with little to no Return-on-Investment (ROI) besides personal satisfaction and personal value. That, I believe, is a line modelers (consumers) can’t cross with modeling building but can if you’re a seller of model kits, even 3D printed, to buyers of model kits. Even LEGOs can be sold for more profit than model kits, and LEGOs don’t break as easily.

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My random thoughts;

Increased source material from 3D suppliers will probably carry a similar percentage of inaccuracies as with current & past main plastic manufacturers i.e. it will always require some degree of customer intervention/correction.

While colour printing may inevitably get closer to being authentic (e.g. Panzer grey, dunkelgelb, camo patterns etc) the subtle tonal variations on different panels may prove trickier to reproduce – and even then, will everyone want to see the same variations on their own model that everyone else also has? I doubt it.

And nobody’s mentioned customised weathering – fading, scrapes, dust & mud. I don’t think any of that will ever be spoon-feedable to modelmakers, and even if it is few will accept that kind of generic weathering.

None of these enhancements will prevent partial or complete scratch-building into the future, for those who really want to challenge their mental & manual skills. It may even become the norm that “manually” built models (assuming they’re of a certain standard) will be valued far more than heavily tech-assisted ones.

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Well I see this like digital photography verses film photography. Originally there were tin type photography which I equate to whitling a model. Then Film photography replaced the tintypes as technology improved. I equate this to plastic models and now digital photography has almost replaced film photography. Digital photography I equate to 3D printing.

I don’t think elementary aged kids seeing model kit building as a thing they do and I think because of that, it will not be part of their future. They live in a digital world and some of them have become interested in 3D printing. We had 3D printers in our technology classes and the students designed things to make. I see 3D printing as the future because of young people’s interest and as said earlier, the ability to reduce costs for model companies. The current limiting factor will be the printer cost and quality. However, like most all technologies, the cost will go down and the quality of the print will go up. I think as we age and pass on that there will be fewer styrene kit builders and more 3D printed kits. I don’t know but I suspect the students will prefer printing a completed or almost completed kit as compared to the individual parts and pieces that comprise our kits.

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