Best Tank that Never Was - Part 4!

This was in relation to the V-T 1-2 .my broadband is very intermittent, and what with my deranged brain things get confused​:roll_eyes::t_rex::smirking_face:



Doesn’t look like my photo will upload, ah well you’ll all know the vehicle I’m refering too.

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Jeez! Tech problems today worse than usual, slower than a slow sloth on tranquilizers!

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I’m somewhat confused about what you’re trying to say, but do you mean: “Would the Jagdpanzer Kanone be a good example for how a combat-ready VT 1-2 might be used?”

If so, then you’ve basically reached the same conclusion I did :slight_smile: I call my what-if VT 1-2 a “JPK 120” because in the Belgian Army, the Jagdpanzer Kanone was generally known as the “JPK”, and I envision my model as the replacement for that. The backstory would be that the Germans developed it, and probably also took it into service in the Bundeswehr, following which Belgium decided to replace their JPKs with it to increase the units’ firepower. The unit marking on my model (024 on a black field) is for 1 Cyclisten, which was equipped with JPKs in the 1980s and ’90s.

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Hi Jakko, Sorry yes, I have been having problems with my comms.Indeed I thought the Kanone would be a good example, or the rakette (? Not sure of spelling) the T.O.W./ Euro missile version.

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Jagdpanzer Rakete, or Raketenjagdpanzer :slight_smile:

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I guess the M10 Booker falls into this category now :sweat_smile: :rofl: :joy:

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Hey gang, we’re officially live as of today! What’s on the cards from you? “I love the smell of glue in the morning - it smells like victory!”

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For me, it’s these two but they’re already underway.

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Sadly neither qualifies, as both were accepted, issued, and fielded rather than being only prototypes. But I do agree they turned out to be heroic failures!

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This is definitely my favorite recurring campaign. It should happen every 6 months. :slightly_smiling_face:

Option One: Trumpeter E-10 Tank Destroyer

This vehicle probably does not qualify because it never made it off the drawing board. To my knowledge, no wooden mock-up was ever built. According to Spielberger in Special Panzer Variants, it was cancelled fairly early in the design process in favor of a Panzer 38(t) based design.

This model is already washed and ready to go. It is a simple model with fun customization possibilities. It will be very quick and easy to build.

Option Two: Alanger IT-28 Engineering Vehicle

This vehicle was produced to develop and test bridge laying procedures. A few pictures exist. It never entered production because the base vehicle went out of production and laying the bridge required crew members to exit the vehicle. The single prototype was thrown into the cauldron in 1941, never to be seen again.

This model is still in the shrink wrap. The model is missing various details, such as the cables/chains required to launch the bridge. Figuring out how all that worked and producing an accurate model is very probably beyond my capability. The model is old and probably difficult to build so the project may fail.

Option Three: Hobby Boss Land Wasser Schlepper II

This vehicle was built for Operation Sea Lion and extensively tested. If I recall correctly, the one prototype was eventually used in battle.

This model is still in the shrink wrap. Hobby Boss models tend to be very easy projects but one person on Amazon complained about the tracks. This project could become a Double because Land Wasser Schlepper I is already sitting in a box, built up and ready for paint.

If the E-10 qualifies, I will go with that. If not, I will probably go with the Land Wasser Schlepper. My heart wants to build the IT-28 but I do not understand how to fix the model.

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I recognise that I often bite off more than I can chew, and my ability to complete something for a campaign isn’t that good. However, I’ve been toying with:

but as I wish to do something approaching the box art or a variation therefore, a MUNGA is essential; after the effort required for my recent resin MUNGA build, this idea will be dependent on the ACE Models version coming out, say, in the next 6 months or so.

If not, then I’ll probably do another version of the Commander Models MBT 70:

perhaps with a few mods and even in MERDC.

We’ll see.

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Hi Doug, any of those is OK to me! But I’m not sure about tackling an Alanger kit - we don’t award Purple Hearts! :rofl:

Brian, I hear ya on the Munga. Bear in mind an ACE kit will take a year to build! I must say the DML MBT 70 isn’t a bad kit despite a few simplifications. The two biggest sins are the complete lack of detail inside the 20mm pod, and the way they kinda screwed up the rear end. (Somewhere on here is my build of it that shows the issues and how I fixed them.) And the tracks are unique, so the kit-supplied DS are the only game in town - unless you assume it would ride on standard Leo 2 tracks when/if issued?

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Tom, I am aware of some of the limitations of the Dragon kit, (though access to your build will be helpful I’m sure) and I’m not bothered about the rear end too much - as a “What-If” that might have been in service, I feel that gives me a fair bit of manouverability, and if it doesn’t completely replicate say, the ones in Munsterlager or Koblenz, then so be it.

As for tracks, I used the AFV Club tracks (AF35012) on my US version so may do the same; other than that, Friul do some:

so that’s pretty much taken care of. The 20mm mount at least, has some details and parts, so it’ll probably be an attack of gizmology I reckon.

I hope to depict it undergoing an ammo replen, so 2 x crew labouring on the ammo, whilst the 3rd (Commander) chats to his OC, who has arrived in his Munga. The AFV Club 152mm ammo set needs a bit of an airing I feel, and I hope to show the Shillelagh as best I can. I gather it came wrapped in a plastic cover so that might be a challenge modelling that, or a discarded one or two.

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Hi Brian, my build review is here: Armorama :: Dragon Models 1:35 Building the new KPz.70 Review

As for showing the missile, just make a long base and place it on the ground in front of the tank! There are stories of test-fires where the “launch” charge fires to pop it out about 100ft from the tank, then the “flight” motor fails to engage so the rocket just hits the ground. Even better, sometimes the flight motor would then kick in late, spinning the missile on the ground before it took off in a random direction!

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Well looking at which victim will hit the bench once I finish off the BMP-1 which has been languishing there for far too long.

Soviet ball tank on skies in Finnish markings with a couple of Finnish ski troops.

T-72M2 Moderna

FV215B

FV4005
or
T29E3

Even though I got the ball tank just for this campaign both the FV215 and 4005 seem to have wormed their way to the front!

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Thanks for that Tom; that will prove very useful I’m sure.

The missile, I hope, will be placed in the capable hands of this chap - courtesy of Dolp:

or that’s the plan at the moment. The other figure will be on the rear of the hull stuffing one into the back of the turret, engaging with the automatic loading tray. I haven’t identified a figure yet - so I expect more sculpting hell when, and even if, I get around to it.

Limitations apart, the whole idea of the Shillelagh system - as I understand it - with it’s great range/accuracy combo, was to keep those Soviet battlefield threats at bay; in the late 60s this could still have been the T-10M, the T-62 (which had been in East Germany since 1963 - and outgunned an awful lot of NATO’s fleet) and of course, the next follow-on design, which eventually would have been the fearsome T-64.

One can see the attraction of the whole MBT-70 concept.

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I think I will have a ball tank of some kind from either Das Werk, Miniart or AMG. DW is the only real one. The other two are fantasy. Also the Rutscher.

Depends on how much started construction is allowed. The first on the left is the AMG, then one of the DW and right side is the Rutscher. The Miniart not pictured is unstarted.

To me all have a good amount of work to do at the current stages before completion. I will leave it your hands Tom as which one I will build.

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Awesome. I will go with the E-10.

I built an Alanger Flammpanzer II about three months back and need more time to recover.

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Ryan, I think these look acceptable as they still need a lot of work. If you do the MiniArt one, I did a build review of it here (Armorama :: MiniArt 1:35 Sharotank Review) ages ago so you can see what you’re in for. Mine is still unpainted, in sub-assemblies in a box, awaiting inspiration. I was planning a “workshop” diorama, with the sides removed on special trolleys to expose the innards.

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Thanks on both. I was probably sold on getting one off that review and probably also why I haven’t started it yet either. :rofl:

I will probably try to one of the ball tanks.

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