The next Convoy escort for the fleet. I have the initial release of this kit from Starling Models. Mike has updated this kit with 3d Printed parts from Black Cat. The Original kit is very good, although I might be tempted to replace the 2pdrs and 20mm with 3D printed parts from stock. The keel was laid yesterday. Looking on line the correct spelling of the vessel’s name should be Naddar, the old name for the River.
I’m in!
Nice project, and once again - out of the beaten path!
Very nice start!
I apologize for my absence, and only very rarely reacting or even liking here (MSW general), real life is not supportive of the hobby the last months and won’t be before end of may probably.
Still trying to follow and at least look in into your - Si and all other Gentlemen’s great build logs.
Always glad to have along for the ride. I do like the lesser known ships, particurly convoy escorts. Nice of outfits like Starling producing kits of such vessels.
Peter Scott was certainly did the trials of the scheme on the Destroyer HMS Broke, Scott did follow the ideas of countershading developed by Abbott Henderson Thayer, in the First World War.
What I found interesting was the application of the same principles in two drastically different environments, and thought Scott/WA might have influenced Caunter, but from the timing it appears to be entirely separate evolution. The HMS Broke experiment took place in July 1940, with the official Western Approaches being mandated from May 1941. The first experiments which led to Caunter appear to have happened in May 1940, with the colours being finalised in General Order 297 of November 22, 1940.
The Caunter patterns seem to have fallen out of use by November 1941, with formal cancellation following in the December. WA, on the other hand, continued to evolve for the rest of the war in that theatre but with several official revisions to both colours and patterns; the latter could be generic but could also be designed for specific classes (although some were then used with the “wrong” vessels, and there was always a certain latitude in their application). One significant difference between WA and Caunter was while the same pattern was used for both sides of the ship in official WA rules Caunter patterns were always asymmetric throughout their brief period of use.
It’s interesting to note the standardisation of patterns compared with the WW1 disruptive schemes where every vessel, including merchant vessels, had it’s own individual scheme, with over 4000 schemes being created in 1917-18. The IWM retains dozens - if not hundreds - of small models on which these schemes were tested.
Back in the late 1960s Airfix Magazine had an article on how to convert their HMS Hotspur into a River-class frigate, although it was more of a scratch-build using some of the forward part of Hotspur’s hull, I had a stab at it but with no great success…
Regards,
M
P.S. You may wish to change the title of the thread, K392 was named HMS Nadder after a river in Wiltshire.
Very interesting, I will admit it is a subject I have not done enough research on, I did enjoy reading your post. I do recall some these old articles in Arfix Magazine, for converting or detailing their ship kits. I did in the mid seventies have a go at converting HMS Hood into a 1941 Hood, another attempt that didn’t go well.
I didn’t know the River Nadar was in Wiltshire, should have done, my Sisiter used live in Wiltshire, not far from Calne.
I appreciate your suggestion for renaming the thread, however, i hope you don’t mind but I will keep it as is, It is sort of system I have titling my blogs on destroyers and smaller.
It’s one of those subjects where there is a lot of info online, but much is contradictory and just wrong. These days I tend to stick with this: Development of Naval Camouflage
Scott/WA starts here: 3/3
This bit amused me; “Admiral Burnett held similar views and ordered all ships under his command to paint out their Western approaches patterns and revert back to overall dark grey (507A), this in order that HE, personally, could see them better when operating at sea in overcast weather”.
With me it was converting Warspite back to “as Built” form: mission impossible. I gave up when I realised the article would have you replacing the suppressed 6-inch casemates in the wrong place…
Nowadays I’m mainly a SciFi/Fantasy builder, but that doesn’t rule out floaty things, I sometimes consider doing an OOB build of a kit as a cancelled member of it’s class, thereby avoiding the need to correct any errors. I also considered building Kajika’s 1:700th HIJMS Kongo as a (1:15th?) scale model of the 1:48th builders model currently residing in Barrow Dock Museum… Segueing back to HMS Hood, you are probably aware that two of her 5.5" secondary guns were removed in 1935 and in 1941 they were installed as a coastal battery on Ascension Island where they still survive, although the mounts (at least the shields) have been modified since their shipboard days.
I concur with your choosing to retain the title for your thread (it is yours, after all) but perhaps you may wish to insert the original spelling of the name at some point early in the text for the benefit of readers wishing to learn more about the vessel, such as her post-war service in two other navies as HMIS/PNS Shamsher
I have put a comment on the name in my opening post.
Interesting regarding where some of HMS Hood’s 5.5", ended up. Four of them were mounted in the batteries on the Flanks of the port of Dover as part of the defences agianst Operation Sealion, another four along the south coast, I will have a dig into my references on that subject.
Si
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