Wade - You mean this one?
Yes.
It’s pretty ![]()
Apart from the points already made about lighting and similar factors, I would also consider the environment. A dark green or brown camouflage seen against pristine snow can appear much darker than under normal conditions.
One thing that becomes very noticeable when painting whitewashed vehicles is how much darker the base color looks once it is no longer on its own, but placed next to white areas. For example, the same 4BO I used on a tank with winter camouflage appeared almost black when contrasted with a heavily weathered whitewash that was far from pure white.
César
Just to add no value whatsoever - the Panther at Houffalize in the Ardennes, back in 1975 or thereabouts, was painted a dark grey as you can see(!)
And “Yes”, I did steal a chip of Zimmerit.
Incidentally, this was the same occasion (Battlefield Tour) where I met the former Chief of Staff of the Panzer Lehr, and US General Desroby, a participant in the Bastogne battle.
Just as a postscript, the Panther has since been moved and repainted - by, amazingly enough, a Bundeswher unit - though still some time ago going by the beating it’s taken from the weather:
A little more Googling threw up this image so it’s been refurbished a 3rd time and now has some overhead cover - probably a good thing:
When this topic runs out, we can all discuss “what color is Olive Drab?” I’m not going there…![]()
Or was RLM83 a real colour ![]()
It’s Friday again already?
Yup,
It’s been Friday over here for 17 hours already (17 hours and 6 minutes to be precise)
Boy oh boy did you open up a can of tumult. I entered into this one WAY TOO many times to be foolish enough to do it again
Too many internet experts don’t like the facts. Do your research, try books and actual vehicles. Yes many surviving vehicles are in inaccurate colors, but HELLS BELLS its your build. Good luck
This is like asking a load of air-cooled VW guys what’s the best engine oil to use!!
My father in law used to ask, “What size is your chili size?” Always good for at least a quizzical look from the waitress/waiter… ![]()
It would also appear to have had the running gear repaired. In the older photos the suspension has clearly collapsed, this was normal if the tank had burned, it affected the hardness of the torsion bars and the weight of the vehicle caused it to settle. Now it has either been repaired or the hull has been “jacked up” underneath to restore the suspension to the correct height. Sorry, none of this rambling of mine really contributes to the Dunkelgelb discussion!
I use the standard Humbrol Matt 93 on my German vehicles, which appears quite “sandy” in the tin. This is sprayed over a black primer, although many people use grey. By the time it has had some filters and a wash over it, it doesn’t look much like the original colour anyway, even less with some brown and green overspray (and I DO mean overspray, wartime pictures show quite a lot of overspray onto the base colour from the camouflage additional green and brown). So I’m not sure it really matters how accurate it is to start with. There is also the concept of scale to take into account. A 1/35th vehicle sprayed with a colour that was dead accurate to the original would look too dark wouldn’t it?
If we really want to go down a rabbit hole, Field Grey is always a good one!
That’s similar in the classic bike world. I’ve discovered a Penrite HD multigrade that is sold as a replacement for vehicles running straight 50 (like Harleys, hence the HD). I run it in all my British bikes - it’s 25/70!
A Fire Engine Red Primer As Part Of The Camo discussion is always fun.



