Valley of tears T-62 tank ditch camo

The T-62 that was abandoned in the Israeli tank ditch on the Golan heights in 1973 had a unique camo design. It was a Russian green base with a crew applied white/ gray camo pattern.

I went and looked at this blog of someone who did a similar build, he used testors model master light camo gray but that isn’t in stock anymore.

Ed Okun "Modeling Military History": A Diorama: "The Valley Of Tears" / Syrian T-62 of the 1973 "Yom Kippur War" in 1/35th scale

What would be the best pant to achieve this?

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Tamiya deck tan. Could it be mud?

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@Dan from what I’ve gathered it was a unit from the mountains so I’m leaning towards it more likely being white. There’s some disagreement on it being white, sand or a variation of tan.

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It looks somewhat similar to tamiya IJN grey

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@Mead93 Like the grey color of a zero maybe?

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Probably not, based on how it seems to not have been rubbed through in paces where the crew would climb and walk on the tank. I agree with a colour like Deck Tan, though, rather than white. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be anything that’s definitely white visible on this tank, like a callsign.

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It’s always hard to tell what true colors are through a photograph, especially when that photograph has aged and the colors depicted have shifted. The image has an obvious reddish color cast, due to age, so out of curiosity, I copied an image into my ipad, then made a few simple adjustments to reduce that color cast. From my results, it isn’t white and it isn’t tan. It looks like somewhere in between. My guess is cream.

Edro

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@Edro thats pretty awesome, maybe a cream and tan mix could work. I have a ak interactive uniform tan that I just saw in my stash. I think that may work as a base then with some filters it can probably hit the crème color.

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Hi, I’m not exactly an expert on this stuff (so I might make mistakes sometimes), but I’d say the color for the white(?) stripes would be some form of slightly off white (such as a variant of white gray, I’d personally go for that) or a form of tan, but I don’t think that it would be mud. The Syrians did use mud on their T-54s (from what I know according to an ak book), but I doubt that that’s the case on this T-62.

Best of luck!

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He post on the old site.

For color matching MM light grey camo.

Vallejo Model Color Silver Grey

Vallejo Panzer Aces Stencil

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yeah I looked up the testors color you referenced. It looks a bit like Tamiya IJN grey which would similar to the color on the underside of a zero. Maybe with a touch of something like neutral gray added

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That looks like a better match than white I have silver grey from AK interactive which i may play around with. Also tempted to try a tamiya paint but the vallejo one looks about perfect.

Thank you!

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Well in my humble opinion painting this thing is going to be a nightmare if you do the base green first what Tamya used to offer in their 1970s instruction sheets were little tidbits of how to get that effect especially the Syrian stuff so what they told everybody to do and they even showed how to do it in these instruction sheets back in the day, was to paint the lighter upper coat over the complete tank and then before the paint actually dried 100% put some string in the pattern that you want tacking it down with a little white glue in the areas where it might move and then spray the green over that then removing your string mask they also use cotton balls on some of the crazier Syrian camo. Worked very well you just had to get the cotton off without leaving threads of it but that was the '70s what can I say. But with today’s airbrushes you get a fine liner and you can do the lighter color on top but it’s going to take a while. As for the color it’s going to be a light desert sand. I’ve seen that thing firsthand

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@Robert_Goldman i vaguely remember one of the T-62 instruction sheets giving a recommendation on how to paint it.

Any chance you served with Avigdor Kahalani?

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I’ve always been a huge fan of Ed’s work, and he’s done a great job on that kit.

It does bear mentioning though the the model is Ed’s interpretation of the photo. I always say “Don’t use models as references.” My advice is go with what looks right to you, from the photo. After all, that’s what you’re modeling, not the model.

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I knew him but as a friend only in the early days of AMPS ISRAEL he was a member for awhile.

My wars started in 82 in Lebanon. And ended in 05. Pre Lebanon 2

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A lot of the red brown camo was actually mud put on by hand you could actually see hand prints in it.. primitive but it worked

The PLO was still doing this to their T34/85’s in 82 in Lebanon.. also on their rocket launchers and trucks

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I used to be friends with Ed and even worked for him part time as a diver tender in Florida after I came back to the states in 89 we were both members of IPMS Flight 19 fort Lauderdale. Good guy and a great builder

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@18bravo thank you for the advice, i think im going to meet halfway and use a deck tan from ak interactive. I feel like that, some color modulation and filtering could do the trick and give me the outcome I want.

@Robert_Goldman i read his Heights of Courage book when i was starting out in college. Always loved it and recommend it to any of my friends going armor.

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That’s really interesting! I’ve seen a Syrian T-34-85 with orange handprints on it, I always thought it looked really unique. Also forgive me if you wouldn’t know; but I’ve heard mentions of Syrian T-72s being used in the Lebanon war against Israel in 1982, would you know any more about that? I’d really appreciate to know, thank you!

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