AMTRAC retired

Anyone seen this?

And check out the new commanders cupola, never seen that one before.

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Interesting. I thought they had been gone for quite a few years already. I think around ‘20 they were no longer allowed to do amphibious ops after a few sank and some Marines died. I hadn’t seen any with the CROWS turret either.

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Never knew they had the CROWS. Notice the SATCOM antenna on the rear as well.

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Looks like the CROWS were fitted in 2021…

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/6833922/tobyhanna-contractors-install-crows-systems-marine-aavs

H.P.

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Some of them should find a new home soon…

https://armyrecognition.com/archives/archives-land-defense/land-defense-2024/romania-doubles-purchase-of-american-amphibious-vehicles-aav-7

H.P.

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There must be a HB AAVP-7A1 n the stash…. (starts digging)

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So, Just what are they going to replace it with? They had A Possible Replacement in Prototype, But cancelled it.

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The Amphibious Combat Vehicle (ACV)

In service (these belong to the 4th Marine Regiment, 3d Marine Division) :

H.P.

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Hmmm, Looks like a tricked out LAV/Stryker type Vehicle; I liked the Expiditionary Fighting Vehicle(EFV) better.

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Lots of angled shapes, looks cool. No mudguards - dirt goes brrr… Lots of dirty modelkits ahead. :smiley:

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It reminds me of the Landmaster from Damnation Alley, a 1977 Sci-fi movie.

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Holy hell, now that’s a blast from the past! :joy:

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The AAV7 and Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle (EFV) suffered from flat-bottom hulls, meaning that they were extremely vulnerable to IEDs. The M1 Abrams is a flat-bottom hull, but the tank engineers designed a V-shaped add-on hull plate to the bottom where the driver sits. No such V-hull add-on kit exists for the AAV, and the EFV is way too low for adding any V-hull add-on. This hastened the end of the AAVs and doomed the EFV.

Gino is correct that one AAV7 sank and some Marines died…the AAVs were that old and the SLEP to refurbish them was canceled to fund the ACVs.

The ACV is V-hull and has 13 blast seats for the Marines in the back. Being V-hull, I kind of wonder if it’s easier to tip over in the surf with a side wave because it’s shaped like a top with “balloon tires” on the bottom.

I too didn’t know that the USMC changed the cupola and added CROWS to the AAV.

I would make the AAV7s into drones and add Sierra Nevada’s BRAWLR pedestal to fire AIM–9s and even AIM-120 for air defense. Add the 23-shot Arnold Defense MLHS and you have C-UAS defense and direct fire support in place of the decommissioned USMC M1A1 tanks.

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Yes they are old but as I recall improper maintenance was the cause for the sinking. I think reason for subpar maintenance fleet wide was HQMC funding the program which led to the non surf orders.

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The EFV suffered from a number of strange problems that were in a GAO report. At the time, the EFV was pretty “hush-hush” since it was such a breakthrough, but from my fuzzy memory, the EFV didn’t start well in cold weather (engine issues), and couldn’t navigate in the ocean to the beach in a straight line (software issues), and have no IED protection (design issues from the start because the flat-bottom hull was needed for water planing).

It did have a 30mm autocannon (now on the ACV-30) and had great speed (above 20+ knots), but I personally thought that the rear door (no ramp) was too narrow. Love it or hate it, the EFV was canceled.

I believe that the USMC was concerned about obtaining the ACV since they spent so much money on the EFV program, not to mention that the ACV was foreign designed.

The closest to the AAV7 is Turkey’s FNSS “ZAHA” Marine Assault Vehicle although I know of zero exports.

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Seems there was too inmense dislike about the internal space available in the EFV.

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Whoops, the narrow rear door is a ramp. As the photo shows, it’s so cramped in there that the Marines can’t carry any Javelins or place anything on the floor. The ACV is a bit better and it has blast seats suspended from the ACV’s walls to mitigate the shock of mines and IEDs, unlike the bench seats of the AAV7 and EFV.

ACV interior photo from Wikipedia…six seats on one side and seven on the other side. The TV monitor in the front allows the Marines to see what’s happening outside.

Interior of the ACV-P

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There’s still room for improvement (no pun intended :wink:)…

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/marine-corps-amphibious-combat-vehicle-problems/

H.P.

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