I don’t build much armor , but I do love seeing others’ work here, and I do build smaller stuff like Kubelwagen, Schwimmwagen, artillery and definitely anything really strange.
So of course I’ve recently built the massive 1/35 Takom Krupp Raumer S
I want to do it in the overall red primer, and I found this paint, wash, and pigment set from Mig. I think it might be great for putting patina on the model, but I cannot find ANYTHING about it online, not Scalemates, I can’t even find it on the Ammo/Mig website, no reviews anywhere.
So if anyone has used it, can you tell me if it’s recommended?
I’d like to do the Das Werk Kugelpanzer and the 2cm Salvenmaschinenkanone SMK 18 in the future, in primer.
I also do HO scale railroad models, there is tons of rolling stock in oxide red, so it should be useful there if it’s any good.
Also, any recommendations for the red oxide base coat?
I’ve used my Floquil paint forever but it’s almost used up now and out of stock decades ago. I do have a full bottle of Mission Models Red Oxide RAL 3009 and it looks the part, but I stopped using MM paints due to the fact MM thinner turns the paint to goo after it’s been in your house for a month or two in blazing Southern California heat, so if you want to do a new project you have to buy a new bottle of thinner for 12 bucks every single time.
So I use lacquers now, so if there’s a good equivalent lacquer for German Red Oxide let me know.
That set’s paint and filters are way too brown. In fact it IS brown. For a true red oxide, and since you shoot lacquers anyway (so do I), I highly recommend Hataka Orange Label [lacquer] C175 Red Primer Base. It’s color is true red oxide and mixed with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner it shoots like a dream and gives a beautiful finish. Just Google to see where you can get some.
I totally agree with you about the Mission Models paints, they are garbage. I tried them and binned them.
Interesting story about the Krupp Minenraumer S. The U.S. Ordnance guys (and the model company) got it’s purpose all wrong.
The Minenraumer S is a mining vehicle designed to work deep below ground in mines. It was not designed as a mine clearing vehicle.
Thank you sir!
Do you know where I can buy Hataka Orange Line in the US?
Sprue Brothers has just a few colors, ScaleHobbyist doesn’t carry them, HobbyWorld USA (who I never heard of til today only sells sets). no dice at Squadron…I’ll keep looking…
There are 2 paint sets that have the red primer but all the other colors will pretty much be duplicates of what I already have, so $25 for one bottle of paint will have to be approved by the Budget Committee.
And she doesn’t like me spending money that she could have spent on shoes!
That IS interesting.
Do you have any links to more information about this beast?
Seems like 2 huge Maybach diesels belching out thick plumes of smoke would have asphyxiated all the miners down there!
Oh and do you know of any decals for the chalk scribbles that are all over lots of vehicles in red primer?
Hi Michael,
I looked far and wide for the Hataka paint. It is not available in the US at this time. Ordered straight from Hataka, it’s €2.85 a bottle and €45 DHL shipping!
It’s available from Super Hobby for a similar price and shipping.
Sorry.
I found this link to an article
but it just repeats the misnomer that it was a mine clearing vehicle. It wouldn’t have been very good at clearing mines with that big space between the wheels. My information comes from conversations with Thom Jentz, who passed away some years ago.
I couldn’t find any chalk scribble decals except for 1\24 scale tire scribbles. Not very good for tank markings.
I would do the chalk markings with a fine line white paint marker, available at art stores.
Sorry I couldn’t be of more help.
Why does it have an operator’s cab with such limited visibility?
For underground mining vehicles are built as compactly as possible because every increase in cross-section means more rock that must be removed, everywhere the vehicles must travel. Why is this so tall?
The vehicle has no hoppers, no excavators, no mining equipment at all. What would be its purpose in a mine, above or below ground?
Why was it found at the Hillersleben artillery proving grounds instead of a Krupp factory or mine?
Matt, I have no doubt that you are relating the story exactly as it was written or spoken to you by someone else. I’m thinking that person is full of sh!t, not you. I thought there might have been some further information besides the simple statement. Sorry.
I will admit that I am more willing than most to say “That doesn’t make sense”, and people find that off-putting. Interestingly, people are likely to get insulted when I question second or third-hand information they relate, assuming, I guess, that I think they are gullible, credulous, or stupid for not asking the same questions I pose to the source that told them.
It’s also why many of my postings are lengthy. I try to provide the reason why something is the it is (for facts) or why I think the way I do (for opinions).
I looked into the subject of the Krupp vehicle more closely. The original British intelligence report from Hillersleben brings up doubts about the purpose of the vehicle as well:
Besides Kurt’s reasonable questions and the intelligence report he’s found, a little ‘German for Beginners’ might be of use:
German “Mine” (pl. “Minen”) has the same two meanings as English ‘mine’, either “explosive device” or “site where minerals are won”. And “räumen” (subst. “Räumer”) is “to remove”. So, “Minenräumer” would literally translate into “mine remover” - take your pick which of the two possible meanings you find more likely.
HTH, Peter
You were never going to find those items on the Ammo-Mig site. Miguel “Mig” Jimenez used to have a line of products called Mig Productions, but Mig Productions is owned by AK Interactive. Miguel Jimenez moved away from working with them and started his own company called Ammo by Mig.
There is a lot more to the story than that, but if it says Mig Productions on the product, it is NOT available on the Ammo website, but MIGHT be found on the AK Interactive site. Much of the old Mig line has been discontinued though. Including this set.
Mind you, it was never intended to basecoat red primered vehicles, but rather to weather/adjust the red primer basecoat.
Depends on what part of Germany, more than likely. I’m more familiar with Bergwerk or Grube. The German word mine as I know it is usually used in conjunction with another word, z.B. Silbermine or Diamantenmine.
Thanks for that info.
I know Mig’s story pretty well, and that’s one of the reasons I try to support whenever I can.
And yes I know this set was for weathering etc, but for everything included, it was definitely a bargain!
Unfortunately I haven’t found anyone in the USA selling individual bottles of Hataka Orange Line paint, German Red Dope, which was recommended to me as the most correct color.
