Grote Tank TG-1

Introduction

From the second half of the 1920s until Hitler came to power in 1933, the USSR actively cooperated with Germany in the military sphere. Work was carried out in many directions, one of which was the direct participation of German engineers in the creation of military equipment for our country.
In March 1930, a group of engineers from Germany headed by Edward Grote arrived in the Soviet Union and was assigned to lead the development of new promising tanks for the Red Army. The group was given a technical assignment to design a tank weighing 18-20 tons, with a speed of 35-40 km/h and 20 mm of armor. The armament was to consist of two guns of 76 and 37 mm calibers and five machine guns. The remaining parameters (placement and installation of weapons, ammunition, power reserve, etc.) were left to the discretion of the designer.


(The first author’s sketch of the tank)
At the Leningrad Bolshevik plant, a design bureau was formed, which included young Soviet specialists N. Barykov (later took direct part in the creation of the T-28, T-34, T-35, T-100 tanks) and L. Troyanov (B-4 howitzer, T-100, T-50, IS-2, IS-3, IS-4 tanks, multiple self-propelled guns before and during WWII), who later became prominent developers of domestic armored vehicles.
On April 22, 1930, several draft designs for a new tank were reviewed. The production of the tank, which received the index TG (sometimes the index TG-1 is also encountered), was carried out in deep secrecy.

Tank design

The TG tank differed from other domestic and foreign vehicles of that time not only in its general appearance, but also in its manufacturing technology and layout.
The tank had a fully welded hull. The frontal armor is three-layered and 44 mm thick in critical areas. The side armor is 20–24 mm, the floor and ceiling are 10–16 mm. The body is water- and gas-tight. The length of the tank is 7 m.


The armament was arranged in three tiers. A 37-mm cannon with anti-aircraft fire capability was installed in the upper rotating turret. A 76-mm tank cannon and three Maxim machine guns in ball mounts were located in the lower fixed conning tower. According to the design, this conning tower was also rotating, but due to the skewing of the ring, this became impossible and it was welded to the hull. Production vehicles would have had a rotating central cabin. Two DT machine guns with limited aiming angles were located in the sides of the hull (they fired through oval openings in the bulwarks).

The tank was controlled by pneumatic servo drives, and thanks to the presence of a special reverse mechanism, the TT could move forward and backward at the same speed. The gear shifting was smooth. There were no levers, as is usually the case in tanks. The control principle, in rough comparison, was similar to the control principle of a column on an airplane.
The tank’s crew of five could observe the battlefield through viewing slits and a strobe light mounted on the roof of the small turret.

The dependent suspension of the road wheels on spiral springs together with the semi-pneumatic tires of the “Elastic” type provided the tank with an extremely smooth ride. The track of the original design, made of stamped parts, had high resistance to tearing. It is interesting to note that all road wheels were equipped with brakes designed for emergency stopping of the tank in case of track breakage.

Result

Testing of the constructed TG prototype began on June 27, 1931 and continued intermittently until October 1. Due to the fact that the engine designed by Grote could not be manufactured on time, an M-6 aircraft engine was installed on the prototype.

The maximum speed of 34 km/h was achieved. The tank demonstrated good cross-country ability and maneuverability. The TG transmission proved itself in operation, being very durable and reliable.

Based on the test results, the following conclusion was made: “Consider that the TG tank in this form is a purely experimental type of tank, on which all mechanisms of practical interest should be tested in operation.” This conclusion followed, among other things, due to the extremely high cost, which amounted to 1.5 million rubles (for comparison: the BT-2 cost only 60 thousand rubles), the TG, even with the elimination of all the noted shortcomings, could not be accepted for serial production.


It was decided to refuse further services from Grote and he left for his homeland. But, apparently, before that he managed to propose a project for a TG-5 tank weighing over 1000 tons.

A completely Soviet design bureau worked in parallel and competitively with this tank. Their task was to improve Grote’s ideas in the direction of reducing the complexity and cost of the tank.

The designers chose an individual Christie spring suspension on five pairs of rollers, as well as a Christie-type ridge-type track.
Based on a number of criteria, preference was given to the five-turret T-35, and this project remained unrealized.

Afterword

In 1933, designer Grote returned to Germany to serve “the Fuhrer and the Fatherland.” On his drawing board were born the projects of monstrous tanks: the project of the thousand-ton P.1000 Ratte (“Rat”), proposed to Hitler in June 1942, with a turret mounting of 283-millimeter naval artillery guns of the same type as on the Scharnhorst-class battlecruisers,

(Landkreuzer P.1000 Ratte (Rat) compared to the E-50 medium tank and the Sd Kfz 251 half-track armored personnel carrier)

and closer to the end of the war - the project of the self-propelled gun Landkreuzer P.1500 Monster with an 807-mm “Dora” gun and a mass of one and a half thousand tons.

PS I wouldn’t have started this conversation if I didn’t have a model of this tank in my hands. But what’s the point of showing a model if no one knows anything about the prototype.
More about the model a little later.

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Track change on the P.1500 would have been a pain.

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It is interesting to see fundamental elements of of Soviet tank design taking shape at such an early date.

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Since it looks from the image that there are four sets on each side, I wonder how close to the materials limit the individual links would be, or how much more robust the joints and pins would have to be so that it wouldn’t break tracks just trying to move.

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Weren’t they to be made from an alloy of Unobtainium?

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At least you wouldn’t have to worry about losing it in the car park.

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Do you have any more information about the TG-(2?)


Would very much like to have a bash at building one of those, also if anyone knows of a TG-1 in 1/35 please let me know.
Regards
Lou

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As already mentioned, the conversation about the Grotte tank was not started by chance.

It was started because Arma Models at one time released, and I purchased, a 3D printed model of this tank in 1/35 scale, which the company sells under the designation AM35938 Soviet medium tank Grotte TG-1.

I would like to warn foreign readers right away that it will be difficult to purchase this model outside of Russia. This is because the manufacturer is itself an Internet store that only sells in Russia. Since it is a store itself, it does not give its products to other stores.

I took it by pre-order, which I waited for a couple of months. But I paid $56, and now on the store’s website the same model costs $68, and most importantly – it is not available.

The model arrived in a very simple box with a list of contents on the back of the lid.

There are no instructions. The reason is not so much the laziness of the stinginess of the company, but the simplicity of assembly. Besides, it is about us that we have a saying that our people read the instructions only when they break everything.

Inside there were a dozen of these subassemblies and a set of metal barrels, which I ordered following the instincts of plastic assembly.

Thus, we have three boxes with semi-assembled tracks.

One box for each of the two hull halves and two turrets,

on the box of rollers and side screens.

The rest of the running small stuff, just small stuff (machine guns, hatches, towing earrings) and a transparent headlight box. The barrels are a separate set, for a separate price.

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Looks great

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a dockyard job …

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I just have to say it here too:

This tank doesn’t look that large to me …

In Dutch, “Grote Tank” means “Large Tank”.

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To create his masterpieces, Michelangelo took stone and cut away all that was unnecessary.
I am not him, I do not claim to be a masterpiece, but I will have to cut off all the unnecessary things too.

I began to remove the printed supports with apprehension, because I had never had to deal with such a pile of supports before.

Visually, in the reflection – the layers are visible, but when you run your fingernail – you can’t feel them. Let’s see what happens after priming.

(I used other nippers)
Of course, I immediately put the towers together.


The supports are quite brittle and fragile, which is good, but they leave a lot of garbage. If it weren’t for the small vacuum cleaner I bought earlier, especially for modeling, it would be really bad.

(Not an advertisement!)
There is a little more than half a minute between the frames.

Let’s continue.

I also immediately put the body halves together.

Side screens.

Chassis elements.

I didn’t unpack the small stuff completely, so as not to lose it by accident.

As a result, I got two heaps of printed plastic, comparable in size. I’ll keep one of them and throw the other one away. The main thing is not to mix them up!

Again, I tried to put everything together. That’s why I don’t like printed models, it’s the small number of parts. After all, for me the key to the hobby is assembly, not painting or ownership.


The crooked alignment of the tracks is due to the lack of support rollers. They cannot be attached without glue.

Overall, it is clear that even the outlines of the tank are far from the usual. I just happened to have two models of normal tanks at hand, which allowed me to verify the non-standard nature of the model.


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That looks like a nice kit.

I’m thinking, keep both… The resin might be brittle, but it looks as if it might be really useful for dressing up scratch-built Sci-Fi models, if you feel inclined towards something of that sort.
:thinking: :light_bulb: :satellite:
Regards,

M

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Compared to the other two tanks, the driver hatches in the Grote tank are very skinny! They must have hand-selected tiny circus acrobats to drive them. Can’t wait to see it built and painted!

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Oh, wow. Those proportions are much different than I imagined. What were they packing up in the nose, that it needs to be so long? Did the designer make it that long for trench crossing?

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Considering that the crew consisted of 5 people (tank commander (who was also the gunner of the 37 mm gun), driver, machine gunner, 76.2 mm gun commander and loader) and taking into account the author’s diagram (the very first picture in this post), then those in the turret have no chance of survival at all.

PS You won’t see the crew - it’s not included. :grinning_face:

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Your proposal is very reasonable. Especially if we remember the “tails” on the first tanks.
Plus additional protection for the crew - spaced armor (maybe)

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Unfortunately, I will have to interrupt construction for at least two weeks due to my departure for work-related reasons.

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Interesting that the TG1 could run trackless (like the BTs), extending their range from 500 kms to 700 kms on prepared roads. Despite the high cost, in retrospect the money would probably have been better spent on the revised (Christie suspension) TG design than the disastrous T-35.

Fascinating subject Yuri, thanks for covering it – presumably none of the TG protypes have survived?

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