G’day all, stumbled upon this photo the other day and would like to replicate it in 1/35th scale.
Wa wondering if anyone had any other images/angle of this tank? apart from the jerry can on the engine deck I think it might be the same tank.
1st image is of 6th Marine Division M4A3 Sherman during in battle in the city of Naga, Okinawa
Regards, Brad.
I agree, I think it’s the same tank in both photos. Besides the vehicle number, the exhaust stack have similar damage, the bogie metal strips, side track armor but that is just me.
The difference in their lengths is the same in both photos seals the deal for me, as well as the dent pattern on the back, and the chipped area at the top.
Have you noticed that the commander’s hatch has been turned so it hinges directly to the front?
I don’t see an airplane propellor attached to the gun, so the image doesn’t appear to be damaged by AI — yet.
What are those strips? For mounting the vehicle?
It could be they’re to make it harder for Japanese infantry to place explosives on the hull sides or hit them with lunge mines, but still keep enough open space for mud etc. to fall out?
The first Son of Sherman has 3 pictures of tanks done up similarly from the 6th TB. One thing to add is if you look close, just behind the track armor on the side, is a supplement stand-off armor add-on This appears to be on both sides front and rear. Rear ones coincide with the fuel filler caps and front line up with where driver and bow gunner would be.
Jeff
As Jakko said for anti mine armor.
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-usa-improvised-armor-on-m4-shermans-in-the-pto/
Each battalion had a different SOP to deal with the issue. On Iwo, wood planks were used. 6th appear to use bars to provide some stand off.
This book has a few pictures of your tank from various angles including one where it’s rear was blown to bits when it backed over a landmine.
you’ll find pictures of it from different angles in the Okinawa section of this book page 131, 138, and 130. I wonder why so many pictures of this one tank exist. it’s funny but the second photo you posted with the 6 marines standing behind the tank and the tank breaking thru a fence and pushing in between two houses, that particular photo isn’t in the book but it’s unmistakable that it’s the same tank. This battalion must have used different shapes with numbers inside to distinguish the different companies or platoons that they belonged to, a square, a triangle, a circle, or a diamond. This particular square 3 tank seems to be the most photographed. 6th TB June 1945 Okinawa battle of Naga seems to be the way to google these images.
I found this photo online but I think it’s from the triangle unit also #3 but a different company or platoon.
Would love to get back book but I cant find it 
I would take photos from the book and post them here for you but I’m not sure if it’s permitted on account of copy rights etc…
There are three copies available on Amazon but you can imagine my horror when I saw the price. The least expensive one is $785, then $999, and one new copy for $1,785…which is ridiculous and of course the book is not worth those prices. I laughed out loud when I saw that the 1k book still requires a $3.99 shipping fee, just ridiculous! I guess it’s difficult to find a copy which explains the ridiculous prices. I think it retailed for $55 and I felt like I overpaid then. I wouldn’t buy one at those prices. It’s known that while the format is nice with large photos a lot of the captions in the book are incorrect…I can’t remember now which ones were pointed out by the guys here when the book originally came out like 10 years ago. The book is full of mistakes. I bought one anyways because of the large size and the big clear images.
I find it interesting that a high percentage of WWII photos in books were taken by combat photographers of various nations and are in the respective national archives and available for free public use. But when certain sites or books get ahold of them, they are suddenly:copyrighted. Aside from any captions added, they have nothing to do with those publishing sources.
Claimed to be copyrighted. Which you can completely ignore for things like photographs taken by American government photographers as part of their duties for the US government, because those are in the pubic domain in the USA.
Also, posting a scan or photo of a picture in a book amounts to republishing the picture, certainly if you don’t include any text etc. that’s unique to the book, and so falls under the copyright as it applies to the picture, not to the book the picture is in.
I found yet another different photo of “square 3” from a front left angle, it’s in this book…
This is a recent release and it’s on sale right now like $10 off for like $28. This book also contains another one of the photos from “Sherman in the Pacific war” BUT it’s a bigger and clearer image than in the older book. This new title also has yet another new to me picture of “square 3”. This time “square 3” is sitting in the mud behind “square 2” which is on fire and burning and also flipped upside down after hitting an IED made with a 500KG bomb. The image is not very sharp but it’s large and takes up pages 142 and 143.
Something Jakko pointed out about “square 3” is that the commander hatch is pointed forward. I found in multiple tanks from the 6th TB had the hatch pointed forward, at least one tank from triangle company and the “circle 1” tank from the circle company all had their hatches turned around like that.
So if I understood you post correctly then I can post the images off of the book for @Bradles88 as long as they don’t include any text from the book?
I’d be happy to post those for him as long as I don’t get in trouble for doing it…
I’m no lawyer, but if that photo was public domain, and in a book, and then only that photo reproduced without any captions etc., it is certainly questionable…
Not including captions at all would be good idea if you want to be safe. IANAL, but copyright rests on the original work, and duplicates of an original work “inherit” that copyright. If you go to a museum that has paintings from the 17th century (whose makers are, therefore, clearly dead for long enough that their works are in the public domain) and photograph those paintings, you can post the photos on your web site, print them in a book, do whatever you like with them.
The same applies to photos printed in a book: the same copyright applies to them as to the original photos. Because how would you really distinguish between a scan made from an original negative, and a one made from a book that includes the same photo? (Other than by doing a close, technical comparison, that is.)
I’d be happy to post those for him as long as I don’t get in trouble for doing it…
Even if you post a photo that someone still owns rights to, how big do you realistically think the chances are that you get into trouble over it?
