to me it’s a grey area part of me says no they should have had better situational awareness but part of me says maybe due to the mass confusion and the tempo of the situation. It’s a hard call to make unless you were there and able to make that call in that situation.
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Should they just start shooting or identify a target first? I would make a good or bad cop depending. I am not shooting unless I can identify the target. If it is too confusing, I am not shooting until I can identify what I am shooting at, is the target.
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Here is the event as how it was presented (in my opinion). Guy in front of officer. Officer hears that guy has gun, but only sees the guy’s back. No hands seen. Officer did not see anything of the disarm due to tunnel vision. Shot is heard so that must be the guy in front of the officer as he was identified as having a gun. Must stop the threat. Shoot until threat is down. OOoops! Officer killed the guy who had just been disarmed by the other agent (that had a ND with someone elses Sig pistol).
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So, how did it do on the range? Are you as happy with it as you were?
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Out to a local range yesterday with my grandson as he wanted to rent and try a 9mm MP Shield. Even with the extended 8 round mag, I feel it is too small for my hands, but he seemed to like it. Fun afternoon together
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I remember afternoons with my dad and an old .410. good times.
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One hundred- and 13-year-old Winchester Model 1911 S.L. (Self-Loading) shotgun in 12 ga. completely disassembled and ready for detailed cleaning and rust conversion work. The fore end and stock are not shown, but both of those also need some repairs and refinishing.
This is one crazy darned design and a real PITA to take apart! This was Winchester’s answer to the FN / Remington Browning A5 auto-loader shotguns. Only about 84K were made between 1911 and 1922. This example is an “A series” gun made in 1913.
Was given the nickname “Widow Maker” (probably by fans of the Browning A5) because of the unusual method of cocking (by pulling the barrel back into the receiver), there’s actually not a single documented and verified incident of any deaths or injuries from the Model 11 during its heyday. This gun belonged to the customer’s father who inherited it from his own stepdad who bought it new.
So far, it’s been a fun restoration job. I’m looking forward to getting the old girl back in service and having a chance to shoot it.
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Nice to see some scatter guns in this thread !
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That is how it should have went. They were amped up and did not have a clear view on the target and reacted without thought.
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I do believe that is what happened.
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