Vallejo Concrete

Our friend 814Pennman has a question.

*I have a modeling question for anyone coloring concrete. It could be wood, styrene, or plaster as a modeling form.

Has anyone ever used Vallejo Pigments (set # Art. 73.192) or any pigments to color concrete? Or would anyone color the concrete form first before using the pigments to shade to enhance the coloring? So, would someone paint the concrete first or use the pigments to color the concrete as a “stand-alone” product?

I am asking this question for another Forum member who lives in Queensland, Australia. I will see if he would like to join here as a new member, then see if he will ask his questions here. AS he may have further questions for the product that he might wish to ask.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Rich*

Does he want to pour conrete in a form and wants to colour the actual concrete?

If that is indeed the case I would add pigments to the concrete.
This depends on the volumes to be poured, pigmenting volumes in the
range of tens of cubic yards gets expensive but on the other hand such
a project would be costly anyway.
Concrete can be painted with paints designed for it, the paint needs to
allow moisture to exit the concrete otherwise it will fall off.

Pigments for concrete (just one example, there are plenty of other options)
I think most mineral/earth pigments will work
Organic pigments could mould/rot/deteriorate,

I don’t see this a real life concrete question, but one of modeling concrete. If it’s real life, I use pigment made for concrete. One box is good for an 80 pound bag of Sakrete, I use these for pigments as well - 1000 times less expensive than Mig, and works just as well.

If your friend is modeling concrete, I’d just make it however he’s going to make it, and paint it afterwards. I used to use Floquil Concrete as a kid for model Railroad projects. It was a great color, but of course you can add variation.

If he’s asking if he should color the concrete beforehand - adding pigment to plaster - I wouldn’t bother.

In model railroading there is always a chance/risk of chipping the surface so at the model railroad club we always tinted the plaster (naturally white) with some earthu brown pigment. If something chipped off the small chip was brownish and disappeared into the background.
White flakes stand out like the proverbial sore thumb

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I knew this would come up. It depends. Even as a kit, I didn’t play with the terrain - concrete sidewalks don’t get chipped in a normal day’s running trains back and forth. They’re not anywhere close the where the suffer damage. If I were making a concrete grain storage silo, maybe. But then, I’d use PVC for that. These days concrete can be readily replicated just about anything.

Hi Fred,

I recently pulled together some images for a friend who was struggling a bit using hydrocal (a product like plaster, but very hard, smooth and a bit porous) for model building. I have never used pigment to color concrete (not n models, but in real concrete, yes), but I imagine someone could do so, assuming it could be applied evenly over long distances/large surfaces.

Instead, I have used three primary methods for making scale concrete:

  1. Using hydrocal with no color integration

  2. Using hydrocal with Vallejo Model Air Cement color integrated

  3. Using other materials made/treated/stained to look like concrete.

Below are some examples of each:

This was built using straight hydrocal, then stained with a mix of India ink in Isopropyl Alcohol. I think this is my preferred choice, but it is important to be sure that your Ink/ISO mix is highly diluted, otherwise, it will go on as black stain!

As the hydrocal is porous, you can apply (I use a little spritz bottle - the kind you pump with your finger) the wash over. I prefer this because the hydrocal remains porous and you can add other washes over it to get more decrepitude should you wish, like the rust and grime shown above.

This is another example of the same method:

You can see the mottled effect you can get by spritzing the stain on, so it looks like concrete. The sidewalk in the foreground is basswood with light blue grey paint applied directly, not as a wash, but with and ISO wash over it.

In the following example I integrated a few shots of Vallejo Model Air Cement paint into the wet hydrocal. This works pretty well, and the color is distributed evenly. But doing this, the acrylic paint apparently fills/eliminates the porous final surface, which is ok, unless you want to add other coats of washes, which don’t seem to take as well:

I also included this example because of the adjacent asphalt drive and concrete slab located within the foundation, both of which are painted cork mat. I’ve found painting the cork mat can be a bit tricky, and advise using an airbrush and applying multiple thin layers.

The concrete color is Vallejo Model Air light blue grey, with several Ink/ISO washes applied. The Asphalt is Vallejo Model Air Anthracite grey, also applied in thin layers, then treated with a highly diluted wash of LifeColor Dust I and when it’s done:

The sidewalk is pink rigid insulating foam, topped with a thin but complete layer of lightweight spackle - lightweight is key here - as its like cream cheese whip, and goes down very thin, painted as noted above. In this case, you can see the concrete looks as it did when it set up, as it doesn’t seem to take light washes very well.

Finally, some images of various wood materials made to look like concrete:

Starting with the slab on the right, which is a plywood base, with an overall layer of Fine Pumice gel, and selective thin applications of crackle paste. I carved the expansion joint in once the base materials were hard.

It’s then colored with washes of light blue grey, followed by washes of dark grey blue - the trick with the color is to ensure they are washes and not painted on, like you would on other objects. To do this I sprayed some wet water (Golden makes Wetting Aid, which is apparently commonly used by artist) to big areas, then dropped paint right out of the bottle over, then brush/swirl around with a relatively firm wide brush.

The two pictures on the left are bass wood boards and sheets - same approach as above, but they did not get any crackle paste, and instead only fine pumice gel. They were then stained with layers of Vallejo light blue grey, and then Vallejo cement. These were supposed to look like very old, weathered concrete so the washes were intentionally mottled - so lots of dabbing and swirling with the brush.

While Hydrocal can provide great results, it can be a handful to work with - imagine a bucket full of pancake batter - being poured into scale molds - and like pouring real concrete you need to vibrate it along the way to clear out air pockets. I find it to be a messy PITA, but if the concrete is focal, well it looks very good. If though you need a lot of concrete that is not a primary design element, the cork or basswood provide a good option.

OK, sorry about such a rambling reply! But I had the info right here :grinning_face:

So, good luck to Rich and his build!

Cheers

Nick :man_biking:

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Thanks all of you that replied. I am asking for a modeler friend from Australia.

He is not pouring real concrete into a mold for a model nor in real life.

Our friend “Nick” was closest to the reply we were trying to achieve. I will direct my friend to your kind comments and

hopefully the information shown will be used. I will also keep the information for my own use when I want to color concrete.

Thanks very much. And, thank you Fred for posting the initial question.

Rich (aka 814Pennman)

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Men, you guys are the best! Thanks for your tips and techniques for Rich. I’m bookmarking this thread, too.

@814pennman Rich, glad to help.