Dutch MBT-70 (GVT-70)

I’ve produced this for the best Tank That Never Was Campaign and most of its progress is recorded there.

However, I thought that some may not venture much into the Campaigns area so I’ve recorded it here as best as I am able. This is not a plaudit Jagd by any means. As the campaign is now over, I intend to incorporate it into a larger setting, so this topic will describe how I go about it all.

This is the Dragon Kpz-70 (MBT-70) and has been much criticised for its shortcomings; whilst I appreciate the yearning for accuracy, and Dragon seemed to have been a bit lazy with this one, I was just pleased that someone had decided to manufacture one; of course, it comes with the stigma of Dragon’s Black Label sobriquet, but what the hell? Despite that, I feel an interesting model can be built, but then, I do tend to lean towards the What If side of the house on occasion and this is my interpretation of a tank as envisaged in service.

Preternaturally perhaps, I have modelled a Dutch version; not many may be aware of the Dutch interest in the beast, and indeed, I was unaware until Jakko offered up this snippet, provided from his reference books:

The MBT-70 project had barely been begun when minister of defence de Jong made it known to the German and American governments that the Netherlands was interested in participating in it. In 1965, in Bonn, the possible terms for taking part were explained to the Netherlands and Belgium, among others. Towards the end of that year, the Netherlands took out a non-binding option for four hundred tanks, with the request to be kept updated about the project’s progress. The expectations at the time was that deliveries would begin in 1971 or 1972. In the autumn of 1967, Dutch military authorities, accompanied by experts, were given the opportunity for a number of orientation visits to take a look at the current state of affairs and inspect the prototypes that had been developed (in both the USA and Germany).

So, that’s the rationale for this model. Jakko also opined that the likely title of the tank in RNLA service would be GVT-70.

The instructions are not necessarily the most logical, but I understand this is often the case with Dragon kits, of which I’ve built precious few; however the modifications I made are as follows:

Added lashings of model railway scenic flock to the running gear as this will be a vehicle on exercise, and the flock represents mud.

I replaced the infantry telephone box on the hull rear as I believe the Dragon one is too large; as it happens I have a spare from the Revell Leo kit and merely applied that.

On the glacis plate I added my interpretation of the armoured TV camera housing, which was there to aid the Driver. Sadly, it doesn’t look much like the prototype version, but is at least the same as the rather ham-fisted version I’d devised for my earlier model of the MBT-70 using Commander’s kit.

Other modifications/additions included a mantlet cover, tow ropes, hull stowage boxes (purloined from the Revell Leo 1), ditto the radio antennae though further modified using Accurate Armour antennae bases), a Gunner’s hatch scratched, after drilling out the moulded closed hatch (why Dragon, why oh why did you do that?) – don’t look too close(!), and a stowage box on the turret top. Oh, and a pair of cylindrical containers for the bore brushes. I also added a pair of rear mudflaps.

The distinctive Dutch pattern smoke dischargers came from another Revell kit, their Leo 2 A6; decent scratch builders could have fashioned same I’m sure, but not this Callsign folks

Whilst I laboriously covered the construction process within the campaign, I don’t intend to repeat all that here; there were no great snags, but below are a series of build pictures so you can monitor the progress as it were:

Finally, I added draped cam nets – in addition to one stowed on the turret rack – and these were fashioned using PVA glue, gauze bandage and used tea leaves

Of course, concealing all that lovingly applied detail is always open to question, but I normally want my models to look as though they’re going about their daily business, and if a Cold War rendition is depicted as on exercise, then camouflage nets it is!

And the final construction pic is this – prior to primer. Brass antennae just lodged in position for the pic. I had acquired the Voyager Model etch set but ended up only using the mesh engine covers as shown.

Now, how am I going to display this? Well, the scenario is, following the acquisition of a first tranche, the Dutch deployed it on a NATO work-up exercise in West Germany, in, say, 1974, which I would feel, falls about right. I have further assumed, that after purchase from the Germans, they modified their radio/stowage fit accordingly (as they did with their Leo 1 fleet) and in the early days, kept the 152mm gun/launcher; I had to emphasise the latter as I wanted to model to retain the original chunky main armament – even though it’s swathed in camouflage. It is mentioned in several references that the Germans were going to opt for a 120mm gun as opposed to the 152mm, so in due course, I imagine that the Dutch too would have adopted the same. However, in this scenario, as it’s relatively early days, they have the tanks fitted with the 152mm.

Now, any new kit undergoing participation on an exercise, is going to attract a fair bit of attention, so I devised a setting whereby the Inspector-General of the Dutch Armed Forces, His Royal Highness Prins Bernhard, has turned up to have a look and a talk to the soldiers manning one. To this end, the tank is parked along a tree-line (which I may or may not depict), and HRH has just rocked up in an equally new vehicle, albeit a softskin, the DAF YA-66.

I have just acquired some figures and the vehicle from Sylly’s Models, and this is my concept of ops utilising one of my larger bases, to A3 paper size:

That folks is the plan; I still need to acquire a round 4 more figures from Sylly’s Models. The build of the GVT-70 is complete and painted; it’s awaiting an oil wash, and some dry brushing.

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Aaargh! Is anyone capable of capitalising “MBT-70 (GVT-70” for me?

Thanks in advance.

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Nice one!

Just one thing:

Prins, not Prinz :slight_smile: The latter is German, and though Bernhard was that, too, he wasn’t anymore as soon as he became a prince due to his marriage to Crown Princess Juliana, who was Queen at the time your diorama is set.

BTW, two years later he would be forced to relinquish all his military titles and functions due to the Lockheed bribery scandals.

Also, that M113 C&V would be state of the art in 1974, as the 25 mm turret was only introduced that year.

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Yeah, I should have Anglicised it all. Of course it’s Prins - I knew that but…mea culpa!

I realise I’m pushing the year a bit; with the introduction of both the revised Lynx and the little DAF, but any later and I would be running out of years with the Prince due to be rumbled re his transgressions. Not that I wish to hide behind the What-If scenario, but just wanted to make it all as plausible as possible. With a VIP visiting of course, it’s the sort of thing the military would do, not just the latest MBT - which I see as the cause of the visit - but also field their latest upgrade to the Lynx, and the introduction of the new little runabout, all tied in nicely I thought with such an august visit.

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I would have mate, but for some bizarre reason, that capability has been removed from me for some odd reason… I use to be able to edit post titles … not sure why that’s stopped and my trust levels seem to go up and down on their own accord ?

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You must be a bit dodgy then John!

Well, thanks for trying anyway.

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un-Aaargh’ed

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Thanks Robin - much obliged - it was driving me nuts. I even feel better now(!)

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Trust levels is controlled by “attendance”, posting, posts read, likes given and received and possibly something more/less,
I tend to forget the details.

Being a moderator I am permanently fixed at one trust level

Read all about it (or go build a model instead …)

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John must definitely be dodgy then.

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The irony is I was awarded this 11 days ago …

Supposedly trust level 3 … yay … yet on my profile page I am only a member with trust level 2 … I would say there are some issues/ flaws with the system in how it fluctuates so much …

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I would agree. Happens to me as well. I don’t think that is something Jim has control over.

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To bad that if you wish to go to a scene a few years later, so you can depict him in civilian clothes and add all his characteristics, he probably wouldn’t be visiting this tank in the field…

Always a white carnation and very often a pipe …

But by the looks of it you sure are making a great dio :+1::+1:

And I think you’ll have to add one or two members of the Royal Marechausee…

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M113 Commando & Verkenning :slight_smile: Lynx is the Canadian version, which was 1) adopted later and 2) in smaller numbers. Yet for some reason, the English-speaking world treats it as the base vehicle, when in fact it’s a bigger modification of FMC’s M113 C&R design than the Dutch version was.

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OT: This whole concept is my biggest complaint about Discourse :slight_smile: The idea is OK, but certainly with the default values (see your link), the higher trust levels are only attainable on big, active forums by people who actively go and read a whole bunch of topics — so it’s not actually a trust level but a participation level.

Actual trust levels, representing being given responsibility on a forum, should be awarded by the site’s admins to people they think will do a good job.

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Very dapper indeed; one can’t beat a decent suit!

Hopefully Bert, it will be interesting enough; as for the Royal Marechausee - they would normally have been all over the security for this for real, I’m sure, but was uncertain as to their uniforms and equipment – let alone procuring figures or decals - so just went for the DAF YA66 and the Lynx.

The viewer - when this gets done - will have to squint a bit, suspend disbelief, and imagine they’re out of the picture.

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Well, I was sort of referring to it generically, as say, one does with “Porsche” King Tigers, but I take your point!

Even though only clipped together, it does look the business I feel - small, yet interesting. Sylly’s Mini Models’ figures help immensely of course, and reduce the uniform/figure modifying penalty by a great margin.

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First amendment; I’ve changed the planned orientation of the GVT-70; it was pointing the wrong way; I was keen to have – to me – the most interesting side available to the viewer: the cannon, searchlight, driver’s hatch, but then realised it was facing the same way as the visiting entourage, and whilst there’s not much technically wrong with that, I thought it needed to change. After all, the scenario is that the tank is on exercise, it’s the visitors who are making the difference, so parked up in say, a glade, it will be as the VIPs drive down a forest track to RV. I think it looks better. Figures as ever, will be both laborious but essential; I really must order some more from Sylly’s Mini Models – his efforts and the poses he produced have turned such dios as this around I feel and even enabled them in the first place.

I’ve also been brooding on the possibility of including the Koninklijke Marechaussee, (MPs if you like) not least after Bert’s reminder. We’ll see, I might be able to fit another DAF in as it’s a relatively small vehicle and will reinforce the story, without cluttering it all up too much.

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Thoughts about timing (minutes ..)
Isn’t there a ‘before’ and ‘after’ around a VIP appearance?
The event will figure a VIP but he/she isn’t arriving for another few minutes
and the “lesser” officers are busy discussing the details and making sure
everything is prepared. Some figures would be relaxed, passing time in their
vehicles while others would be busy/tense (I drive a tank and can relax while
my battalion commander is all uptight about making a good impression).

After the event the previously tense officers would be relaxed while the drivers
and others would be waiting to move on, want to finish for the day et.c.

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I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at Robin. As it happened I was the Divisional HQ Visits Officer in both Bosnia and Iraq. VVIPs and VIPs cause a lot of work! There’s a lot of moving parts, the programme itself, weather - which impacts on Fly/No Fly, the entourage, always more demanding than their boss, and lastly the “faff” factor such as allowing time for protracted farewells, buckling in of aircraft seat belts, and sometimes a tendency for the great and the good to go “off piste”, all demanding stuff.

The inspiration for this scenario came from this series of images I found of the Inspector- General visiting a similar exercise in Germany, the previous year; the vehicle shown in that visit is a Munga but I wished to ring the changes a bit so when I found out that the little DAF was available, went for that (apparently it came into service in 1974 so that ties in nicely):

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