Rant about Reviews

Ranting about this issue is really all we can do. What’s more, the situation is never going to change.

There exist no standards for what constitutes “good” reviews, and any attempt to devise such standards are subject to the biases and preferences of the person(s) trying to establish them. In the end, those standards would likely only meet their needs while leaving others still searching for the information they want about the kits.

Subjectivity, ignorance about the subjects, lack of modeling skills and talent, and obligations to the entity (be that the manufacturer or the publishing media) that provided the review sample (if the review is of a sample kit - many are not) are just some of the many problems with kit reviews. Add on to these that not every kit that is of interest to every possible modeler has been (or ever will be) reviewed.

The very few really detailed reviews are also subject to the reviewers’ various biases, preferences, and modeling styles which may or may not match up the reader’s own needs and wants. This doesn’t even begin to touch on the amount of time and effort required by the reviewer to get into such detail (or the expenses and effort to do the research of the prototype subject, to procure of the kit, have and use the tools needed to make precise measurements, etc.).

If anyone wonders why every kit hasn’t been reviewed to the nth-degree, try writing and compiling your own kit review to what you believe is that standard. You might be surprised at just how difficult that is.

In the end, it’s up to each modeler to do his or her own “due diligence” to determine which of the many different kits of any particular subject best satisfy their needs or wants. Search out and read everything you can find about the kits you’re interested in, compare and contrast the information you can find with your own research into the subjects, and then roll the dice…

Once you’re done with the build, write up your own review of the kit for the benefit of everyone else. The “nth-degree” review that you want of that kit is just waiting for you to write it.

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I will say you can only hold a reviewer to the standards of the time the review was written. Maybe that dud kit was the best at that time.

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Have you tried unicraft? I did and I stopped complaining about sanding putty after that (despite the molding and some adjustement issues, the heller 1/100 sale concorde i’m going through is still good for a 60’ kit, the wings might cause some trouble but I haven’t had much thanks to scotch holding them in place while the glue dryed)

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[Discussion by 18Bravo on various Paladin articles]

While most of those articles worked off manufacturer-supplied kits, most of them likewise were just First-Look type articles. I simply can’t be bothered about the overwhelming positive take presented because a) The authors don’t hide the kit’s source and b) No one who cares about kit reviews should pay any attention to First-Look articles beyond looking at the photos. It’s the same as pointing to a full-page Tamiya magazine ad and shouting, “Look, LOOK! They don’t say anything about the excessive thickness of the brush guards! They’re shilling!”

And while I’m a rivet counter myself, I’m not troubled by build reviews by people who are not experts in the subject doing the best that they can with research and write-ups, and “Best they can”, in this context does not mean “Does everything humanly possible regardless of time or cost”. In other words, I think Gino did a good job with his M109A7 review.

KL

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Was it experts on the subject or merely article authors who said this? In my own battle on this subject I’ve found my “opponents” to just be other modelers who were passing on what they believed, stated as their belief, not authorities or zealots.

KL

I agree with your first sentence, but not the second. If you know a dud is a dud, say it. I would change your second sentence to “Maybe the best information at the time wasn’t very good or complete.”

KL

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First off, I intentionally left your name out of my comments, and did not link to any of the several reviews I mentioned. I do not delude myself into thinking people are immediately searching for those reviews after reading my musings, although I rather suspect one poster to this thread does like to gratify himself late at night reading his own vitriol. If you like your review - wonderful. I happen to think it missed quite a bit of obvious flaws. This thread is after all entitled Rant About Reviews.

As for your comments abut having access to the real thing, it certainly doesn’t hurt - but it is not necessary. I opined when the kit was announced but not yet released that it may be of a prototype. My access had nothing to do with that. It was simply a matter of knowing the M109A7 had not even been classified as such yet, and yet here was a kit purporting to be of one. And it turns out I was right before I even saw the kit. (for you silly-villains out there, classification has nothing to do with classified information, but rather acceptance of the weapon system by the military at which time it receives its designation, classification, whatever you want to call it. Kind of like kit itself - announced but not yet released.)

When I unboxed the first of three of these, and yes, all of mine had heavy flash in exactly the same spots, but why belabor the point - the very first thing I noticed on the hull after the warpage and the flash (cue in Jim Gaffigan here: Did he just mention the flash again?) were the bolt holes from the spade mounts. That’s something I would expect to jump out at pretty much anyone who did internet research as you did.

I think it’s intellectually dishonest to say Some missing, extra, or misplaced bolts and a few missed vents were its only problems. By choosing those particular examples, which are in fact the least of the kits problems, you attempt to trivialize the major shortcomings of the kit - misshapen components, missing details, very large ones, a fictional loader’s hatch that looks nothing like the actual one, and several other things that jump out - not just the errant bolt, of which there were many since you bring it up.

@ everyone else:

I’ve built many, many desk models for Lockheed Martin Missile Division. That doesn’t make me a better modeler, but I’d like to think it does give me more of a Robert Pirsig outlook to model building than most.
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Okay, skip the search everyone. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance which I first read in the 70’s is still a good book today. In it, the protagonist, Phaedrus ponders the meaning of quality… Like porn if you happened to be on the Supreme Court back then, it was hard to define, but you knew it when you saw it. I’d recommend it even if you’ve never ridden before, but I digress…

These desk top models I build go to folks in the artillery branch - high up folks I would imagine - but who must have at one time come up through the ranks like most of us did. I want every build I do to speak to the recipient. Without pulling out calipers or a tape measure, I’d like it if he said “Yup, looks just like the one I commanded, chiefed, wrenched on or pissed on,” whatever is appropriate in his case. Many of the things I pointed out would be noticed right off. and I still say Panda should have been embarrassed to offer it,.

Gino… I would hope that attacking you was not the intent of the content. See first paragraph above. SO, no, I don’t think it was. If it had been my intent I have called out a few other reviews of his. :slight_smile:

There would be extremely few reviews if only subject matter experts were allowed to write reviews.

Perhaps so, perhaps not. And who’s to say we wouldn’t be better off for it? Again, look at the title of the thread.

Most folks don’t this because my handle is 18Bravo - I have been Field Artillery qualified since 1998. I have attended every single enlisted artillery course from 10 level to 40 level (higher does not exist) and have pulled the tail on anything from WWII pieces, to Soviet pieces, to the latest and greatest, being the M777 and the M119, which I even posted videos of here last year.
AND YET
I do not consider myself a subject matter expert on artillery.

I have parachuted out of, rappelled, fast roped and helo casted from, and been slung beneath several helicopters in the US inventory. Even took a few lessons on an old Huey.
AND YETdo not consider myself a subject matter on any of those either,

You don’t have to be to write a good review.

I helped MENG with their H1 kit and their F150. I have driven neither.
Other than a T-62 in Afghanistan, I have never driven a tank.
I’ve helped AFV Club with tanks, fixed and rotary winged aircraft, and even a missile system - none of which I had anything to do with in real life. But if I reviewed them I’d look at them with same critical eye that I’d use when inspecting my buddy’s parachute before I kicked his ass out of an airplane.

Maybe that is what we need. People with the attention to detail to notice the flaws.

I would like to say that when I set out to review something I turn to a large number of books I have and the internet for information on the subject. So knowing nothing in my book means I set out with no preconceived opinions.

Huzzah!

Immediately followed by:

My reason for dipping my toes in this pond was that I did not want Gino feeling he was the subject of an attack…

Really? Again? It’s a model building forum for God’s sake. No one is curing cancer here. Believe me, anyone I’ve ever attacked in life
A. Knew they were being attacked
B. Usually regretted the outcome
And 3. Did not look forward to experiencing it again, if they could.

Rather than shaming people that have done their best to produce a review for the benefit of the rest of us, perhaps a more useful approach is for someone who really knows what they’re doing to produce a “how-to” guide for writing a solid kit review.

You cannot shame a person, they can only shame themselves, i.e. Panda.
Who’s to really say who knows what they’re doing? Some like witty reviews about sheep, some like reviews that grouse over an imagined shim.

Personally, I like what Vodnik does/did. His build reviews are thorough to the point of exhaustion. That leaves the reader to decide how much, if anything he wants to do to a kit to improve it. Kind of like sex - from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Or was that communism? Whatever…

Beware the detailed drawings that are available

Indeed. I’d give you two thumbs up, but along with my index fingers I need them to type…

Once you’re done with the build, write up your own review of the kit for the benefit of everyone else. The “nth-degree” review that you want of that kit is just waiting for you to write it.

Agreed. WWII German armor fans demand it. Why not everyone else?! Most people would never notice the four inch asymmetry in a Tiger turret, nor care. Or count the number of teeth on a drive sprocket. Or know they need to be counted. But these guys apparently do, And with Dave Byrden, who I would also place in the more knowledgeable category, they get what they need.

They can be so demanding over what might seem to some to be the most trivial of details
and not be seen as psychotic, yet demanding more from modern armor is seen as nitpicking and obsessing over inconsequential details. Again, just because it’s not in your wheel house doesn’t make it less important for someone else.

Lastly, I did very few “official” reviews for Armorama. I’m in a position to purchase my own kits thank you, and savage them as I please.

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Sniff, sniff am I getting an whiff of ego? Probably just my misconception.

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I simply cant see the issues with any reviews. Take them for what they are. Some folks want a challenge and a kit with no flaws would be boring for them. The reviewer is simply seeing the kit from their perspective. Overlooked items must not have been an issue for them but maybe for others. Paid for bias is a whole nuther story.
As a new chum at this stuff I don’t want a blow by blow review. I just want a broad overview of building issues. If I was a rivet counter then kit accuracy would get up my nose. But remember the cost of the kit is often a reflection of the quality of research and manufacture of the kit.

You get what you paid for!

bruce

Don’t you love it when an in-box review spends more than 22 interminable seconds actually perusing to box?

…and then goes straight to the instructions. 'cos that’s what we’re here for…

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You know as a newbie to this 1/35 scale stuff I lamented paying for a good kit with crap instructions. Then the brain clicked in and figured out that there are folks out there that don’t use the English language. So what’s the answer to instructions?
Maybe the manufacturers do a short video and include a thumb drive with every kit?

That would drive-up the cost, and in turn would stoke the fires of the rant even more.

You mean like this?

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Wow! I thoroughly enjoyed that! :hammer_and_wrench:

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That’s actually very cool!
Ken

That was brilliant. I could certainly use something like that for the Riich Universal Carrier I am currently building. The instruction book page is smaller than A4 and has from 3 -6 steps, showing all or at least 1/2 of the assembled kit in each diagram with the exploded view of parts!

The instruction pictures are tiny and trying to work out what direction a part is supposed to be glued and where it is to be glued is quite hit and miss. I have had to photograph the booklet image and then expand it on screen to actually see what I need to do! Look at B13 on the right. Where it is supposed to go is hidden by the side wall of the hull - luckily, it appears it mirrors the B13 on left.

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Tank_1812 nailed it.
If there was just a one company that could do that for all of them! Imagine each manufacturer sending a kit and their cad files to some backroom nerd to make such videos. (Has to be the same companies to get consistency). Yes it would add a dollar or ‘more’ to each kit. But the end result would be worth it.

OR. Or find someone like NightShift and sponsor them. Be open about it. Get a subject review.

But I dream on.

bruce

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I have a jeweller’s lamp which is more powerful than an opti-visor (and a lot more comfortable) but even then, Photos and on screen expansion was the better option.

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I sometimes find, looking further into the instructions, show we’re the part goes properly, when surrounded by others.

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