You ever see the classic DEA video of the guy in Dallas shooting himself in the foot during show and tell?
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Thatās one of my all time favorites.
āIām the only one in this room that I know of professional enough to carry a Glock forty.ā
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Clown act on such a different level. You ever get bored look up the rest of his follow up story with his circus and OWCP DOL over it and the DEA. Cant remember where I read it.
Interesting thread, shooting and reloading happens to be high on the list of things I like to do. How is the marked for reloading components in the USA currently? Primers are allmost impossible to find in Norway these days, and when you find some they cost a leg and an armā¦
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Last year I had to drive several hundred miles to get small pistol primers. I bought 5,000. A few months later my wife and I went on a three day road trip and I bought 5,000 more. Theyāre getting somewhat easier to find. I just discovered a very nondescript location just a few miles from my house that has incredible deals on guns and ammo. I bought all of his large pistol primers for eight cents apiece and no sales tax
I order bullets and supplies online all the time. I suspect powder and primers are nearly impossible to have delivered.
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Weāve been shooting whatās know as āThe milk jug challengeā on Range 4 Quantico for several years now.
The shooter has five shots to hit an AR 500 steel milk jug replica at 1000 yards. I hit it cold bore (first shot of the day) in July of 2019
It costs $5.00 to attempt with five shots. If the shooter doesnāt hit it, he has to wait a week and try again for an additional $3.00. If the shooter hits the jug in the allotted 5 shots, he gets a sticker like this. If the shooter hits it on the first shot, itās free because you get your $5.00 back.
I havenāt been to the range since early September but this past Sunday, a new challenge was added. The beer can challenge:
Seven shots for $7.00. Two shooters have already hit it. No sticker yet
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You can always remove the anvils from your primers, knock the firing pin impressions out, and repack them with match heads.
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Hahahahahaha! Seriously?
Yeah rightā¦ I saw a video with a guy reloading 22LR that way. I guess he would use several months to fill a box.
Luckily I get factory Ammo at an ok price, but I miss rolling out 500 rounds the night before range day on my 1050.
I kinda gave up shooting for a bit because you cant even double tap at any range in Dallas without it being during a comp. So all thats a challenge is hitting tight groups at 25 yards.
They sell these ābattleshipā game targets and cant help giggle watching some shoot.
Hell sometimes I just sit back at the wall and watch all the shooters in there lanes and crack up on weapon handling. Every visit the range office seems to catch two dipdumbs handing off weapons to each other at the rest. And dont get me started on the cell phone photogs during. I used to always go during the hours with least amount of people.
Two new shooters renting a gun and shooting it at the same slot is the worst.
Classic.
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DFW Gun Range and Academy on Mockingbird used to let me shoot double taps and even five round rhythm drills. But I had been there for a while. Then up Harry Hines afterward for Korean BBQ. Every Tuesday. And Iād shoot free more than half the time. It was just too far though and I hate driving past 4pm.
Range USA lets me get away with a lot as well. They know me, and they also know I act as a range safety whenever Iām there. I donāt know how many thumbs Iāve saved at this point.
They even let me shoot multiple targets on multiple lanes provided they are far enough out that I donāt hit the walls.
You gotta put in your own work in this neighborhoodā¦
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I used to shoot a lot of the cars across the street from there at classic cars. back around 2014. Um, different shooting, photography. LOL
Range USA lets me shoot as fast as I want. This is not an example of my fastest shooting, but they have jumped on other people for shooting slower than this.
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Have you ever shot any ammo that punched rectangles thru the paper? I shot this ammo after buying because of some guy recommending the site. I wish I could find the target. At 7 and 10 rounds you would get small rectangles from each shot. Never seen it since. Wonder if just low powered loads?
Worlds worst ammo ever. They had to be tumbling at it.
Actually this was one of them. if you look really close you can see how the holes have tear points bigger than they look because the paper is laying on the ground. Look below each entry and you can see a larger square tear than the rest of the hole.
My first thought is that the bullet is not stable in flight. You donāt often see that with pistols, but with rifles it can be common. When I first started shooting, Walt Berger said that you needed to spin the bullet at about 180K rpm to make it stable. We now know this is wrong. There is a formula to figure the rate of twist needed, and I like to add 10% to the numbers. Yet you can also over spin them, and create other problems almost as bad.
The problem with hand gun loading is that you canāt be flexible in your set up. With a rifle you can adjust the over all length quite a bit, and also things like where the bullets sets in relationship to the lands and grooves
Iāve shot the Speer Lawman ammo a good bit in 45ās and it shot very well. I still like 230 grain hard ball best. In my 40 caliber guns Iāve also found that hard ball is the best.
gary
Yes, when I was loading plated bullets too hot for my .357 Mag. They werenāt too hot for the gun, they were too hot for the bullet. The charge was literally shooting the bullet right out of its skin like a āthe Naturalā knocking the skin off a baseball. I had holes shaped like the bullet profile, and even extra holes where the plating hit.
Iāve also seen bullets tumble from leading in the barrel, not from my own guns though. Leading is pretty easy to clean with the right equipment.
A bullet can also tumble from having lube in the barrel, causing it to not engage the lands properly. I actually think thatās what happened on my first shot in the above video. I know Iām not the greatest shot, and true, I had never shot that gun before, but I seldom throw a shot that badly. Range guns are notoriously over-lubed.
I used to preach not over-lubing a barrel for completely different reasons - it starts to smoke and causes your eyes to burn. Now i have another reason.
When IK first saw your question I thought it might have been the result of fluted ammo like this:
Iāve never fired it at paper so Iām curious what the holes might look like.
Edit: I just found recent evidence of some of my extremely hot rounds that I mentioned above:
This was seven shots out of my 686 - but there are more than seven holes in the target.
My shot group obviously suffers when bullets are coming apart midflight and/or flying sideways.
See above post. Bullet tumbling from pistols can manifest itself in as little as 7 meters.
Iām not quite sure what you mean in your second statement either. Hand gun loading is about as flexible as it gets.
I was mostly thinking rimless autos, but still applies with rimed revolvers. You are restricted by the case length and the start of the forcing cone in the barrel. In a rifle i usually seat about .002" off the lands. You canāt do that in a pistol. Die construction for pistols leaves a lot to be desired when using a carbide sizing ring built into them. I found out that we had a sets of diamond hones going unused, so I honed my dies to fit the chambers i was using. That way you donāt over work the brass when sizing. Then I found hard steel dies without the carbide ring, and things really got better.
Lets pick out a typical rimless auto round a minute and pick it apart. Your limited to either large or small pistol primers from the get go. None are of super quality, but I found Federal to be the best. I ream all my primer pockets (100%), and deburr the flash holes (I hate this job). After that I like most others simply run the case thru a sizing die, and I also know this is incorrect. What I need is called a āroll sizer.ā Why? Because almost every auto has a taper throated into the start of the chamber. The roll sizer makes the case very round; while a die wonāt always do that. Itās a good deal to trim the case mouth square at this time, and make the lot the same length (I use a Wilson that is much modified). At this point things really change between a rimmed case and the rimless case. The rimmed case usually has a crimp at the mouth, and this requires a special die to get there. Nothing does it anybetter than a Lyman āMā series die, and Iāve tried them all. The next issue is the bullet shape. All pistol dies use a generic seater, and yet we often use bullets that they are not meanāt for. Guys tend to measure the overall length, but never the gauge line number. Pistol bullets vary all over the place. Headspace is really not all that critical as long as your in the window. I just like to keep them inside the lower half of the window and allow the case to grow without too much of an issue. Rifles and bottle neck case are different.
gary
your sideway shots were a lot like the others I had. I am trying to find my old file of the difference between my 320, 226, and a rented springfield 1911 all in 9mm. It was interesting, the 320 was soon sold after how bad it shot compared to the 1911. Thus, thats what made me go grab a Legion 226 single action.