Recently spotted in Ukraine.
Protected against everything?
I wonder when they reach Leonardo da Vincis 500 years old invention?
Protected against everything?
I wonder when they reach Leonardo da Vincis 500 years old invention?
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Other variants are featured in the Modelling armour in Ukraine crisis threadâŚ
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This makes experimental sense.
A lot of Western ATGMs use graphical images of Russian T-series tanksâ ERA dome turret to identify, lock-on, and attack top-down. It wonât attack a flat roof NATO MBT, for example, because the microchipâs ID library can distinguish the NATO and Russian MBTs by their profiles. That is what is called a âsmart ATGM.â However, Javelin ATGMs also have a direct-fire mode like a rocket launcher and forgoes the top-attack dive flight path.
So to hide the profile outline of an ERA-dome Russian turret does make experimental sense at the risk of decreased crew situational awareness. Itâs a desperate attempt to eliminate the lock-on of all the modern NATO smart ATGMs with those graphics library microchips of all AFV profiles used in the world. The smart ATGM fire control computer cannot ID a Russian MBT that doesnât look like anything in its AFV graphics library. But it wonât fool loitering munitions that have an operator looking at a munitionâs targeting camera!
That is what is called counter-intelligence at work, and the Russians have captured UK NLAWs and US Javelin ATGMs and their thermal and fire control systems so the Russians may have tested to see if the smart ATGMâs computer can lock onto the âTurtle Tank.â If the peer nations can reverse-engineer these smart NATO ATGMs is another matter because their components are made and imported from all over the world, not just made in one allied nation.
Ahhh the new âimprovementsâ was reading about that yesterday but couldnât finish cause I was laughing too muchâŚ
So the various western ATGMâs need a graphics library update to add a new enemy profile?
I sincerely doubt that even collectively, the RuZZians are this bright.
If this is true, iâd not be surprised - however, can you please provide evidence that these weapons use microchip ID libraries?
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A couple pics of new turtle tanks
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cn15r8/a_new_turtle_tank/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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I once âfiredâ an MELLS simulator and I don´t think they have a âbrainâ. They rather fly were you guide them by âthumbstickâ
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can you please provide evidence that these weapons use microchip ID libraries?
The US Javelin ATGM uses imaging thermal sight to detect heat signatures. It is up to the gunner to ID the target through the image in the thermal sight for lock-on and firing. Thus, the Javelin can engage even enemy personnel by their heat signatures.
Scroll down the âJavelin ATGM User Manualâ to 4-25 and read âTarget Identification (4-90).â It is an imaging ID library on a CD-ROM, or actual photographs of AFVs (4-91).
https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm3-22-37.pdf
Here is evidence of microchip circuit board ID libraries, called âObject Detection Model.â Scroll down to 3) Results and 4) Discussion and see Figure 14. Iâm not going to name the company, but they make graphics cards.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44196-023-00198-6
Combine the two and violaâŚmicrochip ID library in a smart ATGM fire control system.
So the âTurtle Tankâ isnât just to fool drones if you cannot recognize the heat signatures of the T-series tank that easily. However, the Javelin gunner can still lock onto the target IF there is adequate heat signature and fire the ATGM. The jury-rigged armored shell may indeed mask the heat signatures from ATGM top-attack mode if there is not enough heat signature to achieve a lock-on although the Javelin can still fire direct-attack mode.
This is all speculation on my part. I am no ATGM expert here.
This is all posted on the internet for public access.
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This is the photo from before they poured the concrete.
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Seriously restricted frontal arc of fire! Hope they donât get attacked from the sides or rearâŚ
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Whoa. They are turning their tanks into Ferdinand/Elephant type vehicles.
It makes sense. When the war of movement is over, tanks become artillery pieces. No need to worry about flank attacks when your enemy is two miles away on the other side of a trench line you are unable or unwilling to cross. All a tank needs to do is hang back, remain under cover, and kill anything that enters no manâs land.
Tank tanks will reappear whenever and wherever someone is willing to concentrate enough force to punch through, regardless of the casualties. It is so predictable. Build up. Concentrate. Push. Run out of steam. Dig in or fall back. Repeat.
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Interesting.
However, weapons such as TOW, equipped on Bradleys (for example) are (fibre optically) linked to the firing position and are not reliant on automatic target designation systems. Additionally, newest generation ATGMs are true fire and forget (NLAW included) but, as confirmed by a friend currently at SAAB, that although the exact way in which the âcombined magnetic and optical sensorsâ of these weapons ensure the proper detonation of the warhead is classified, the notion that they can discrimiate âsounds like fantasyâ.
Ironically, the Turtle Tank wasnât concieved to defeat ATGMs. Paradoxically, its the chronic lack of ATGMs that Ukraine posesses that necessitated the turtle Tank design.
BTW, the Russians call them âTsarâs BBQs.â The Ukrainians call them âTurtle Tanks.â
Loaded with ECM and fitted with mine-triggering metal rollers, the odd vehicle type âis being used as a mine-clearance vehicle ahead of armored assault columns. The layers of do-it-yourself armor, installed in workshops near the front, protect the turtle tanks from the 100,000 explosive first-person-view drones the Ukrainians fling at the attacking Russians every month and to protect the extra ECM equipment loaded onto the tankâs deck. Nothing more, nothing less.
The turtle tanks are an adaptation. The problem is that theyâre an adaptation to just one threat. As long as Ukrainian troops are short of artillery and anti-tank missiles and compensating with huge numbers of locally made FPV drones, as has been the case for months now, a Turtle tank stands a decent chance of doing its job and surviving an assault
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I take it that this thing has near zero observation posibility. So a Panzerfaust 3 from 100 meters should do the trickâŚback to square 1. Atleast they are honest about not having optical equipment and firing computers in these refitted long term storage tanks.
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Seems theyâve found a way to beat this armor and take them out