Seeking Soviet World War II Truck Painting Advice

Hey, hey. After reading various truck threads in these forums I decided to order a couple Soviet World War II transport vehicles and ended up with:

Miniart Soviet Artillery Tractor YA-12 Early Production (35052)
Miniart Soviet GAZ-AAA Modification 1943 Cargo Truck (35113)

Various build up articles exist for both vehicles and Vallejo sells a paint set with the requisite camouflage colors so I can make a good start of both kits. Unfortunately, I have very few books on Soviet World War II vehicles which leaves me with some questions.

  1. Did the Soviets slap BO4 (Protective Green) paint on everything–the frame, chassis components, inside the cab, the engine, the seats, the dog, whatever?

  2. Did the Soviets paint their tracks and if so, what color?

  3. Is there a photo walkaround available on the internet of a museum example of either or both of these vehicles? I realize that museums sometimes get things wrong but I would like to get a good look at the plumbing. Maybe I will make a wiring harness. The car guys will enjoy that if I ever make one of their meetings.

About 12 years ago, during a trip to the now defunct Charles Littlefield Tank Museum, I was surprised to see the chassis components of his Sd. Kfz. 222 armored car painted black. Since then, I never take stuff like that for granted.

Thanks for any advice or guidance you can provide!

I found a GAZ-AA walkaround if that helps:

I can’t say yes or no for the Soviets, but I will say this. US tracks, when brand new from the factory are covered with a black tar like coating over the exterior metal surfaces. As soon as that track is on a vehicle and it starts moving, that coating is abraded away fairly rapidly, first by all the contact with running gear surfaces such as the sprockets, road wheels, and idler wheels, and also by whatever ground surfaces the track is in contact with. Within a short time of movement of any off paved roadway, all the metal surfaces are worn bare of the coating.
So unless your planning to depict a brand new factory delivery tank leaving the factory, or some display tank, the color of the tracks being painted will not come into play.

I think they painted the chassis parts black, or coated them with tar …


(added black frame around image to make it easier to see into the shadows)
Look inside the front fender, the green (or whatever the lighter colour is)
goes down to the joint with the chassis rail and the rail itself is darker.

Some more reference photos Zis-5 but many more.

http://svsm.org/gallery/ZiS-5-Family

HTH

Thank you, phil2015! Those pictures definitely help.

Thank you for that information, Stikpusher. Although I have built a number of M4 tanks, I did not know the metal parts of the tracks were painted black at the factory.

Finally, thank you once again for the assist, Robin_Nilsson. Having now found a fair number of pictures of Soviet trucks in museums or private ownership, it appears you are correct and everything below the waterline (frame and suspension elements) was painted black! I am even seeing black rims, running boards, and details, such as around headlights.

This site has a whole bunch of World War II era Soviet trucks on display:

Motor1.com

All the trucks in the museum feature black frame, detail, and suspension elements. It appears most of the trucks evolved from Ford ancestors, so this makes a lot of sense. “You can have any color you want as long as it’s black.” Engine compartment parts come in a lot more colors so getting that right will take some more research.

These newer Miniart kits really impress me. They have a reputation for high difficulty but I am looking forward to the challenge.

Edit: The Wikipedia article for GAZ-AAA trucks contains links in the reference section to a number of walkarounds for these vehicles. The second link contains one really good shot of the engine compartment.

If you are going to make a late model (more Soviet, WWII period), then you can use this photo review, if earlier (more Ford, pre-war), then this. This is all suitable for a tractor.
The tracks and the wheels themselves were not specially painted, except for options for parades.
ya12_25

And then not always

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Thank you very much for those photos and the walkaround, Salekhard! The white engine in that museum vehicle certainly stands out.

Last night, I read a review of the YA-12 (Early) in which the writer claimed that Soviet vehicles in late 1943 did not receive black paint on the frame and chassis. The plot thickens.

The silver engine on trucks is a classic of the Soviet automotive industry. Aluminum powder mixed in heat-resistant varnish. I worked as an auto mechanic in the 1990s and am very familiar with this technology.

It may well be. The production of the I-12 began in August 1943 - this was the Battle of Kursk and the turning point of the war.

In any case - an artillery tractor, this is one of the dirtiest military vehicles, so the color of the frame will not be visible.
I’ll ask on the Russian forum.

Not sure if this site may help as well with your research

Thank you for the additional information and research, Salekhard. Based on what I have read, engines for the early Ya-12 vehicles were American made and may have remained in the original factory paint color. As for mud, since I have not found a particular vehicle to model and know extremely little about the subject, mine will probably end up looking rather clean, plain, and uninteresting.

Thank you for the link, JS1961! I did visit that site and subsequently purchased all three appropriate camouflage colors from the Vallejo paint line. Hopefully, those colors are at least approximately correct.

Edit: According to one source, the General Motors Detroit Diesel 4-71 engines for early Ya-12 tractors were built up from kits supplied by the United States.

There are a few sites of Soviet Warfare musea: Military vehicles museum, Russia | Tank museum Patriot park Moscow
http://tankmuseum.ru/
from the last site you an go to speific vehicles:
Soviet Armored Cars, Carriers, Kubinka museum Hall N4 | Tank museum Patriot park Moscow
Soviet medium tanks, assault guns | Tank museum Patriot park Moscow

Not walk arounds , but still some great pictures that might help

Yes, that’s how it is. When I built my model,


I tried to show this fact.

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@fromSalekhard Yuri, that engine looks outstanding! :clap:

Your engine and model look great, Salekhard. I think you have the right of it, using green for pretty much everything. Even though I want to use black for the frame and white for the engine block to create some contrast, I cannot justify doing it on a vehicle manufactured in 1943.

My clear coats and decal stuff arrive in two days. After I finish off a few models approaching the finish line, I will launch into the Ya-12. Hopefully, mine turns out halfway as good as the one above. :slight_smile:

I’m wondering about trucks in use in civilian industries in the Soviet Union, for example, the railroads. I wonder if these would just come in black? Anyone have any idea about this?

Specify what brand of truck you are talking about. If the frames of the trucks were always black and the engines were always silver, then the rest of the elements could have different colors. Each manufacturer had their favorite colors. And it did not depend on where it was planned to use the truck (if not the military and not for special purposes).
For a general understanding, see the topic “What colors were used to paint truck cabs in the USSR

That’s an excellent article, thanks! I’m interested in Gaz pre-war. It sounds like dark green was their default.

Then everything is simple. They were all green. Unless you want to make a car out of a 1933 extreme run through the Karakum Desert

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Hey, Salekhard. To your knowledge, were the paint colors listed in the instructions for the Miniart Ya-12 (Late) you built all correct? Do you recall any problems with the kit I should look out for?