I have these two sets of Soviet 100mm ammo, one from Miniart and one from Hussar. They’re both advertised as 100mm, but as you can see in the pics below, they’re quite different from one another. The Miniart set is excellent, I used two empty casings and an ammo box in my last diorama. Which one is correct? Or did the Soviets have different 100mm ammo for different guns?? Or maybe the Hussar set is mis-labeled?
Thanks in advance.
Miniart at left in plastic, Hussar in medal btw
Ugh, metal I meant !
Out of curiosity I checked and both have the same labels, right? 100mm UOF-412, for D-10T gun. With that you should be able to asses yourself whose shells are correct. Casing length should be 695mm.
Thanks Karol. The length comes out to 19.86mm in 1/35 scale. The Hussar rounds are about 1mm shorter than that, Miniart dead on. But the length of the projectile and diameter are much smaller. Strange.
Miniart’s quite old, can have issues too. From Soviet 100x695mm shell - General Ammunition Discussion - International Ammunition Association Web Forum full projectile should be 1080mm long,
Yes the Miniart set came out in 2009. There were different projectiles of different lengths too yes.
I thought that Miniart would be more accurate given that the ammunition in real life was manufactured there(?) and they would have access to it. But that’s no guarantee.
How many different types of 100mm guns did the Soviets field? Field artillery, air defense artillery, tank gun? It could be a similar situation to US 76mm, 90mm, and 120mm guns. There were multiple types fielded over the years in both calibers that did not share common ammunition. Different length shell casings, straight or bottle necked, one or two piece rounds.
Jane’s Armour and Artillery 1985-86 has:—
Based on which, it looks like only the T-12 has its own type of ammunition.
That alone suggests a different ammunition, most likely fin stabilized. Discarding sabot?
APFSDS-T 3BM2
APFSDS 3BM23/3UBM10
Beam riding laser guided projectile 9K117 Kastet (3UBK10/3UBK10M)
HEAT 3BK16M/3UBK8
HE frag 3OF12/3OF35
H.P.
The Soviets used a number index to identify ammunition interchangeability, as Kalor mentioned. For the BS-3, KS-19, and D-10 series of guns it was 412, so anything marked xxx-412 would work in those guns. The T-12 ammunition, on the other hand, was marked 100-T-12. I doubt any company knowingly produced T-12 rounds given that there weren’t any 1/35 kits for the gun prior to 2024 (and maybe not even today).
KL
H.P.
Is it meant for this Miniart kit?
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/trumpeter-02331-100mm-anti-tank-gun--238553
I knew there was something recent but didn’t want to bother looking for it, so I limited the timeframe to cover the ammunition sets originally being discussed.
KL
For some reason you linked a Trumpeter kit. Did you mean to write, “Is the Miniart set for this Trumpeter kit?”
Theoretically, it should match, but my guess is that Miniart came out with a 100mm ammo set to match their T-54/T-55 kits, or just as a generic ammo set. It would have to have the correct dimensions and markings to be useful, though.
KL
That’s what I was thinking.
Miniarm (#35118) also has the same set in resin but seems to be out of stock in the few places I’ve looked. I’d be curious to do a side by side comparison.
True but what I can’t understand is the difference in diameter, and overall size of the rounds in comparison to each other. The details are similar though; maybe Hussar made a mistake.
