Looks to me that the hydraulic rams at the corners act upon the rocking beams which are fixed at their inboards ends via links to the body .
It appears the center of the rocker acts upon the shaft that goes through the machine and is fixed to the wheels , thus raising and lowering the body of the vehicle along the shaft . This is a second class lever - remember simple machines in your science class ? The arms that carry the lumber are fixed to the body of the vehicle and rise and fall with the body as it travels about the vertical shafts .
I remember these straddle lifts in the local lumber yards as a boy .
Edit - I think you are correct in that the rams at the corners are for ride height and it appears that the arms that carry the lumber can be raised or lowered also via what appears to be shaft driven winches.
I think there may be a problem with the model in that arrangement of the vertical shafts at what may be considered the rear of the lift as the shafts intersect the axles of the differential.
Beautiful work Nick - always a pleasure to watch what you do.
Cheers- Richard
Me thinks that the lift arms need to be able to move laterally to be able to grab loads of varying widths. If they are fixed all the loads must be the same width AND the loader will have to slide the lifting angles in under the load while driving over the load.
Compare with the arms on this website:
My interpretation of this image which I found here
Yes the load pick up arms swing out as they are lowered and then back in as they are raised. The memory is fading but I ran one of these for a couple of years 50 years ago. The arms operate independently of the carriage height.
Other interesting image showing uncovered chain drives to rear wheels and chains to hoist the load
Thanks to @Buckeye Tim I think I might have figured it out.
- Roller that rides up/down on nr 3
- Lifting arms moved up/down by chains (4)
- Fixed rod
- Chains on axle turned by gear unit (5)
- Worm gear???
- Lifter (or whatever it is called)
If nr 3 is vertical the upper angle, at the roller, of the lifter will not move sideways.
When the lifter is pulled up by the angled arm, nr 2, the lower edge of the lifter will swing inwards and clamp the load. There is not a whole lot of lateral movement so the loads will not to have a fairly standardised width …
The original (large!) photo is here
Another large photo, more modern I think
Hello gents,
Seems this weird old rig has become the catalyst for some discussion!
@RDT1953, Hi Richard, and thanks. You know, I wondered about the point you raised, about the vertical component/leg going through what looks a lot like a differential, or at least CV or ball joint - but, zooming in on my example vehicle:
Which I should have done before…well, you can see on the left, how this works. It certainly appears that the leg goes up and down as suggested, but - what a surprise, it sure looks like there are propeller shafts coming out of the rear diff, with U-joints! suggesting the entire unit goes up and down! wow - almost wish I had worried more about that before could have given me the chance to build an independent rear end like on a Corvette or GT40!
@Uncle-Heavy Hi Robin, so much to ponder here - I’ll start with something easy; the chain drive seems to be a very common feature on these machines, which makes sense as it is a relatively simple idea to implement.
As to the workings of the cradle - I get your notes, that is, I understand what you are suggesting, but still don’t know exactly how all of the parts work together. When I started this, I looked at many images, mainly early versions (as they were available), that were clearly mechanical. The up and down feature of the cradle was relatively evident and easy enough to grasp:
If these old images were bigger you could figure out that the cradle was raised mechanically. It is not as easy to discern though how if would clamp/squeeze? Notice the image in the upper left, which shows an elevated bolster beneath the material - allowing the cradle to slide under. But, you can also see in the lower right, clamps that look like they could project under a load - as to how thy work, or if they do that? no idea
As I mentioned above, the unit below is the basic prototype I’m basing this build on - knowledge gaps and all:
From this image, I have no idea how the cradle would squeeze?, though it seems reasonable enough that it would. However, on the version below, which seems to be of the same era,
you can see some notches in the sidewall (to the driver’s side of the pickup) which might allow arms to swing inward? how they swing in??? I don’t know! if the they swing in? I don’t know!
And for now, that’s just fine. I might keep searching for images. While I have several images of these saved, they are only moderately helpful in addressing the questions we are discussing. I have had luck on other projects searching machinery/equipment auction sites for walk around photos, but these seem to be too old for that!
I’m still working on the chain drive - hoping a long shot idea works!
Cheers
Nick
The arms do swing in and out at an angle. The loads and blocks are a standard width to fit on a flat car or semi flatbed trailer so the swing/articulation of the arms is not that great. What you are seeing on clamps is simply a long piece of angle iron running from the front to the rear lift arm.
Very old units at one time might have had individual clamps but that is just to complex a machine for the operating environment which believe me is pretty rough and ready.
I got the impression that there were a few different solutions.
Some seem to have used chains to attach to the load or a pallet under the load.
What I think I am suggesting is that your machine should have some kind of in-house solution to the problem theat looks like it could work.
Pivoted lift arms like in the image of the rusty one, just needs something to push/pull on the upper ends or the sliding angles of the yellow machine seen in Australia.
The load is carried by the angled iron at the bottom so the lift does not depend on the clamping force (friction), just needs to move the angled iron in/out by maybe 5 inches each side or the width of the horisontal lip of that angle iron.
Great research in seeing how this rig works … very cool wagon and also very intricate as well
Ok guys, back with some progress. I’ve only been on and off on this over the last couple of weeks but today can show an update. Some paint arrived a while back, and I began painting the three builds that were done. Starting with the pickup:
I really like how this turned out - and the lumber truck and lift:
And both:
So far so good. And on to more builds starting with the straddle carrier:
This might be ready for paint too - the chain drives are 3d printed, intended for use on a 1/12 scale motorcycle, so perfect for this! As they were not actually intended for this, I made up some adapters to attach them, and figured out to to cut out chain links and reassemble without looking awful. This was a lot slow going, but not exactly bad - just required some patience.
On the other hand, this, well, I thought about that post where it was asked if you had ever “binned a kit” uhh, no, not yet, but this has not been a cake walk:
“how hard can it be to make up a frame and add an axle?” Try it yourself and find out
This is the Dnepro 1941 Ford Marmon Harrington 4x4 - yes, an obscure subject that I really like! So the kit, I’m assuming, is small production etc. On one hand, I’m really glad they made this, and as an enthusiast of all things 4x4/6x6, come on! who could ask for more?!?!
Some parts are really nice and finely molded (it’s a resin kit), others less so - the instructions are light. So my unsolicited observation so far is that if you’ve built and enjoy building finely detailed/small part kits (think MiniArt with small parts, though not as many) and the challenge of cottage industry resin parts, this kit is for you. If not, you might think twice before jumping into it.
Despite a few challenges along the way, like when I snapped a frame rail in two I concluded that I needed posable steering so now I have it. I could not figure out what exactly the instructions were intending, so decided to not worry about that, and adapted the kit parts as I saw fit. In general terms, this involved filing, drilling and wire pinning parts together. Not a complete disaster, but it was a challenge. The kit includes a nice little V8 engine, even has individual spark plugs - but, also has vague instructions and a few other parts less great -
On we go - thanks for having a look -
Cheers
Nick
Great update Nick and the colour choices you opted for cannot be faulted. They look just right, nice contrasts and exactly what I’d expect in these type of yards.
OK here’s the deal Nick – I’ll just mail you a Thesaurus with all the best complimentary words highlighted, that should cover all your miniatures creations…although barely sufficient for the straddle-carrier – expletive-expletive-are you-expletive-kidding?? Loving the chain-drives too, genius.
Anyhow it’ll make room instead to annoy the hell out of you with petty snipes…in the interests of constructive crit, natch (1) the guy seems to have some flash between his legs…yeah I’ve waited years to be able to type that (2) The tyres…did the pickup drive over freshly painted road markings or snow? Any chance you could just (even ultra-lightly) dust all the vehicle tyres with a khaki-ish tone? It’s just that to my eyes they jar with the ground they’re on right now.
Wow! I first thought it was a real picture from a lumber yard! Sensational as is all your work.
Is it just how the picture was taken or is buddies hand the size of the Hulk’s?