What Paint Color for Modern US 105mm How Canister?

Kurt,
The brass canisters were phased out long ago. The two that I have are dated 1945 and were issued in the late 80’s or early 90’s with the last of the colored smoke rounds. We saved these for presentation awards. All of the other ammo from the early 80’s on were the rolled steel canisters. The two of those that I have were manufactured in 1972 and 1975 and are model M14B4.

I retired in 97 so don’t know what is going down range now.


This is a 1945 brass canister and the 1972 steel one that I am trying to figure out how to paint. The light on this photo doesn’t bring out the greenish tint to the steel canister.

18bravo, tossing 3 standers in a row is quite a trick. I’ve not seen that before.

I discovered the trick early on. Most guys tried to get the base to hit first while it was at a shallow angle. My method was counterintuitive but worked so well that the gun chief said screw it, I’ve lost count. I’ll just get you a keg. My method was to toss them with the base facing away and angled upward. When the open end hit it would bounce up and land perfectly on its base. Exactly the opposite of this:

True true true. Brings back memories of my time in a 105mm unit. The real brass powder cannisters (the technical term) were highly sought after but a source of problems since the Ammo Storage point usually expected every single fired cannister to be turned in to prove there were no live rounds on the loose. But that was peacetime and rules likely loosened in combat zones.

I would suggest trying Citadel’s green transparent shader “Biel-tan Green” over a base of steel or aluminum paint. If the shader is still too intense dulete with either water or Citadel’s clear medium “Lahmian Medium”.
Citadel products are most often available at the “Dungons & Dragons and World of Warcraft” type fantasy hobby stores.

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[shrug]

KL

Kurt,
Yes, the manuals call them cartridge cases. I don’t recall an artilleryman calling them anything but canisters in my 25 years.

That’s what I figured, so, contrary to what someone wrote the “technical term” is actually cartridge case while canister is the common term.

KL

That’s true of most things in the Army. There is the official “technical term” and there is the name everybody uses.
For example, this item:
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:rofl: Ken

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Yes, I know. The thing was that in this thread someone essentially wrote that the official nomenclature was donkey dick.

KL

Been a gunner for 30+, always called them casings.

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I have references on US breech-loading field artillery going back to the 19th century and in them these items have always, uniformly, been identified as cartridge cases. I understand troops don’t always use the proper name, but it puzzles me as to how anyone ever began calling them canisters in the first place. Even separate loading powder bags were called cartridges 100+ years ago. It is not as if canister was the official term for 75 years and it changed, plus there are already other artillery items that are properly called canister. Very odd that the common term would end up there.

KL

Having been in the military in five different decades, I’ve noticed that a soldier rarely calls a thing by its nomenclature.
This old thread illustrates that well:

Redleg called it a “radar speed” gun. I called it a “speed counter” as that’s what we on the guns called it. No one I ever met in twenty four years of Field Artillery ever called it a chronograph, although we all knew that’s what it was. I went to the 40 level Field Artillery school three years ago, and those instructors called it a speed counter, save for one funny guy who liked to call it a speedo.
The thing that grates on me in my other two MOS’s is hearing someone who should know better calling a magazine a clip. Of the hundreds of weapons I’ve fired, the only clip I ever used was on an M1 Garand. Mag is fine with me, though.
And what most people call bullets? We call them cartridges or rounds. The bullet is the projectile.
And the list goes on.

Fortunately, having studied linguistics and languages most of my life, one thing still holds true, in prescriptive and descriptive linguistics - you can call a thing anything you want. If everyone understands what that thing is, it’s valid. The same applies to words other than nouns. It took me a long time to get over irregardless, (a favorite of one of NCO’s way back in the day) but if I am to adhere to purely linguistic “rules”, then I guess it’s word too.
And after having said all that, I will never accept conversating as a word in the English language.

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That’s a big “if”, especially with technical terms. Many speakers have incredibly optimistic estimations of their listener’s understanding. My most recent job experiences were with the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program. Using the proper terminology in both written and verbal communications is emphasized and demanded in all operations. Woe be the sailor who reports to his Chief that an open valve has been “closed” instead of “shut”.

Nevertheless, my only interest was hearing how “canister” popped into the vernacular. The other things mentioned have parallels to civilian items that may be more relatable to soldiers; already have commercial trademarks associated with them; or are funny. It’s not like canister is easier to say than casing/case, either. And it’s new-ish, unlike nautical terms that are centuries old and literally “have always been called that.” Just odd.

KL

OK. I still have a couple more combinations to try; but so far, I’m getting the best results with a bronze metallic (AK Extreme Metals) followed by a thin coat of Alclad Armored Glass tint. The result is a bit darker than I’d like but will work. Alclad Steel was too dark. Alclad Burnt Metal was too light. I’ll try a couple more metallics after returning from the IPMS Nats. See you in Omaha!

Hell, I didn’t even get qualified until '98. But I’ve kept up as a 13B along with my other MOS’s right up through today. 24 years! So it makes me curious, was leaving your soft cap on the ground a no-no in your day, or is that a new thing? And if so, why?
I’ll be there, by the way.

Robert, I’ve not heard of soft caps on the ground being a no-no. But, looking back on it I don’t recall seeing them on the ground. That may have been more practicality than anything else - easy to stow in a pocket or small of the back, and they blow away or get dirty on the ground.

Same here. Never heard of a “no hats on the ground” thing.

Rather than post the answer twice, I’ll just link to this:

Driving toward Omaha Thursday May stay and Camp Ashland the first night and listen to the corn grow…

Looks like a few different shades of anodizing used. probably depending on the lot and/or the shell type.