1/72nd Vietnam Firebase Bunker

Hi all,

I’ve always wanted to attempt a Vietnam Firebase Bunker ever since I saw the 1/35th Verlinden casting back in the 70/80s…something I could never afford at the time, :sad_but_relieved_face:.

I recently posted a question relating to the build and, as per, I had the kind folk herein provide very useful information, thanks again all those who responded, :slightly_smiling_face:.

Below are some images, it’s 1/72nd scale with an A4 base footprint.

It’s slow going creating all the sandbags, and not for one minute am I suggesting that it’s an accurate representation, it’s simply my attempt at creating something that, hopefully, might pass muster once finished, :thinking: :neutral_face:.

Please feel free to comment, advise or make suggestions, positive or otherwise, :thinking:.

Cheers, :beer_mug:.

G

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Hi G! I am glad to see you back in action again! I leave the critical comments to the knowledgeable. From my perspective it is a great start

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Thanks for the kind words Erwin, much appreciated, hope all is good with you and yours, :slightly_smiling_face:.

I will endeavour to finish this one, though the choice of vehicles in 1/72nd does limit me, :thinking:. It’s a shame there isn’t a wider range of Vietnam war era US armour.

G, :beer_mug:

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Yes, everything is fine over here.

I guess that, with the demise of Esci, a lot of options went away. Maybe the small scale manufacturers have some? Scalemates is, as always, your friend here.

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Great to see you working this G. You can do a search for FSB Ripcord. Mike Roof @SdAufKla and company built the whole dang thing. They had issues with getting 1/72 equipment as I recall.

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Thanks for the props, Ryan!

Something that I would offer up with regards to the design of US firebase bunkers in Vietnam is that they are all configured to fit the available space as constrained by the micro-geography of the terrain. My observations (as I researched FSB RIPCORD) was that on any given firebase the artillery firing positions were often very similar in layout and construction. However, those same types of artillery pieces might be located in very differently laid out and constructed positions on other firebases. Available materials and the specific combat engineers that did the “rough” work also had significant influence on how positions on different firebases ended up configured.

With specific regard to RIPCORD, the 155 mm howitzer positions were initially excavated and graded by 101st Airborne Div. (3rd Brigade) combat engineers, but actually constructed and occupied by a howitzer unit of the RVN 1st Infantry Div. The RVN arty battery moved to a different fire support base, and their gun and crew positions were occupied by the American 155 mm battery. The troops, both RVN and US, continuously worked on and improved their gun, crew, and ammunition bunkers continuously (as well as repaired damage from incoming PAVN mortars and rockets). These changes can be observed in photos taken over the entire period of occupation of FSB RIPCORD.

I used two-part epoxy for the various sandbagged positions on our RIPCORD dio. I actually made some gauges, one to scribe the thickness, one to scribe the length and a third to scribe the width, of the sandbags. Rather than make them individually, I made most of the sand bagged walls and roofs as single layers of epoxy putty, then used the gauges to lightly scribe the general outlines of the bags, followed by sculpting their shapes with homemade tools (mostly round toothpicks with shaped ends). Aves Safety Solvent was used for clean up and as a release agent on the tools.

Most of our bunkers were made a multi-part masters and then copies were cast using RTV molds and urethane resin. This was done for almost all of the various bunkers: 105, 155, 82mm mortar, individual fighting positions, command bunkers, crew bunkers, ammo storage, etc. Only a few of the visible bunkers were built as stand-alone, unique models. This was possible, because the terrain, available materials, and units doing the construction imparted a large degree of uniformity in the layout and construction of the various different types of bunkers. So, all of any particular type tended to be generally very similar in layout and materials.

We also ran into major problems with finding commercial kits of US equipment in 1/72 scale. We used as many as we could find, but in the end, we also mastered (either by hand or 3D printing) many of the details which, like the bunkers, were cast in resin. This also included the several thousand tree stumps that surround the firebase.

I suggest that you contact:

HQ72 Resin and ask them if they have any of the small details still available from the FSB RIPCORD diorama project. They did a large amount of the resin casting for us.

If you want, you can DM me here, and I will try to put you in touch with another resin caster who made many of the castings of small details for us. He no longer runs a formal casting business, but he may have some things useful for your project.

Finally, we commissioned a 3D designer and printer in Spain to sculpt and then print over 200 be-spoke 1/72 artillery crew and infantry figures for our RIPCORD diorama. His Facebook handle is:

Holden8702 and you can contact him on Facebook.

He does a lot of custom figure 3D designs and print commissions in all scales. He might even have some of the FSB RIPCORD artillery crew and infantry figures still available in his catalog.

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Italeri picked up the old Esci kits. I’ve been on a 1/72 binge lately for wargaming and small scale diorama purposes. The major armored vehicles from Vietnam are well represented in that scale. The trick is finding decent figures. The old Esci/Italeri Vietnam figure sets are terrible. So I’m curious which figures you’ll use.

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Thanks for the welcome back Ryan, and the ‘FSB Ripcord’ link, very much appreciated, :+1: :slightly_smiling_face:.

G, :beer_mug:

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Thank you for following up on Ryan’s post with the information and links relating to ‘FSB Ripcord’, very useful and, if I may say so, one heck of an impressive model build, :+1: :slightly_smiling_face:.

Thanks again,

G, :beer_mug:

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Thanks for the comments Travis, :slightly_smiling_face:.

Based on your comment re. vehicles I’m obviously not looking hard enough…so back to the internet for me, :thinking: :slightly_smiling_face:.

I agree with your comment regarding figures, though the ‘Orion’ figures look reasonable. Once I get to the figure stage I’ll keep you posted.

G, :beer_mug:

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Yes, the Orion figures are good! I neglected to mention them. I have their sets but have yet to paint them. I don’t believe they lend well to a firebase diorama because they’re all fully loaded for patrolling or in firefight poses.

CMK offers some Vietnam war figures in somewhat generic, relaxed poses and without a ton of gear.

There are some 3D printed models available on eBay. They come in sets. Most are terribly inaccurate, but there are a couple figures in each set that can be useful.

Your best bet for the sort of flotsam and jetsam spare gear modeler’s love is Black Dog. They have Vietnam stowage/accessory sets in 1/72. They aren’t especially accurate (most of the rucksacks are wrong and the Mermite containers are the wrong shape), but the sets are passable in 1/72.

I have c-rat boxes I bought from a wargaming site. Again, they are passable but painful to fold and assemble at this scale

Italeri has the M-48A3 and the M-113A1 ACAV. S-Model does an M-551 Sheridan that is better than the old Airfix model which is really 1/76.

I can send photos of most items if you like.

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One more ambitious project.
I will be watching with interest.

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Pegasus made some passable figures, but most were combat poses. Wayne

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Coming along very nicely, as an arty nut, do u plan on adding m2 105 or m1 105? O this makes me want to go watch “firebase gloria” again.

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Thanks to everyone above for their comments, all are appreciated, especially the suggestions from Travis relating to armour and accessories, :slightly_smiling_face:.

I was thinking of using some of the Orion late war USMC as some of the figures could represent a patrol wandering past the bunker as they set out from the FSB, :thinking:?

But finding artillery crew isn’t looking easy, there are the Germania figures, but they’re not cheap, :sad_but_relieved_face:.

G, :beer_mug:

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Hi all,

Progress is slow, but steady, but I’m not going to bore you all with pictures of layers of sand bags, :slightly_smiling_face:.

However, I am struggling to find suitable armour in 1/72 scale for the bunker. I have got the Revell M109, but the bunker is more akin to an M108 position. I think that the M108/M109 were similar, but not so sure if I could back date the Revell kit?

I’ve also looked at M48 and M551, but the former is difficult to find at a reasonable cost, and the latter from S-models is not Vietnam variant,

Also, M102 howitzers are difficult to find in this scale, plus they were sited in circular emplacements as far as I can see.

I have ordered the Academy M35, and getting M113s looks easy enough.

I’ve also looked at 3D resin on E-tsy-bay, but may of the options have heavy striations that I think would be difficult to clean up without damaging detail.

Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, :beer_mug:,

G

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When I went through my stash the other day I realized I forgot another kit. Esci made an M-106 which would work well with this setup. They are from the 80’s and OOP, but you can find one on eBay fairly easily. These kits aren’t really in high demand.

CMK has a 1/72 AH-1 Cobra pilot set. The pilots obviously aren’t of much help, but it comes with one figure as a ground crewman who is just in jungle fatigues with one arm raised. Paracel also makes 1/72 versions of many of their kits. They do their M-113 crew in 1/72, which includes a driver, a man with a CVC standing with an M-16 and a TC with a CVC in the cupola. They also have their PBR crew, which is excellent for a firebase diorama as it has one man shirtless and bootless writing a letter and another with his boots off smoking a pipe.

The S-Model Sheridan is appropriate for Vietnam, or the closest we have in this scale. The naming of it as the “early version” really applies to the model’s lack of add-on armor. Apparently it’s a miniaturized clone of the 1/35 Academy kit which has it’s problems, but imho counting rivets at this scale is a waste of time when there are so many tradeoffs to make with something so small.

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Thanks again for the figure info Travis, I’m grateful for the suggestions and support you’re providing, it’s very much appreciated, :+1: :slightly_smiling_face:.

Will check out the Paracel figures.

G, :beer_mug:

Hi all,

These arrived today…

The top two are plastic, and each box has two vehicles, so I’ll have enough for a second scene.

I’m thinking that I might combine one of the M113s with the Academy M35 to create a gun truck. Hoping I can find the AFV Club gun truck instructions so I can cobble together something that’ll pass muster.

The bottom box is a single vehicle in resin…it’ll be a first for me, :thinking: :grimacing:.

Cheers, :beer_mug:,

G

Hi all,

I have a question for any Vietnam/M113 experts.

I have seen a number of images where the ‘grab handles (not sure what they actually are?)’ ringed in red on the model image below seem to be omitted on Vietnam era tracks.

Was it common practice to remove said items? see images below:

Any information provided would be greatly appreciated, :slightly_smiling_face:.

Cheers, :beer_mug:,

G