Hi John,
when I was attending live firing with Bundeswehr, from my memory the yellow flag marked technical problems during firing the armament.
what I can´t remember was if that flag is shown together with another flag.
Andreas
Hi John,
when I was attending live firing with Bundeswehr, from my memory the yellow flag marked technical problems during firing the armament.
what I can´t remember was if that flag is shown together with another flag.
Andreas
From memory in the French army, the Red flag means weapons loaded, Yellow flag means technical failure (weapon or radio). Displaying both flags means a combination of weapon loaded and failure.
Olivier
@AKirchhoff , from memory it’s pretty much what @Bison126 says, Red flag is at Action and the turrets live, yellow was a comms (I can’t remember if Comms failure was yellow and green ? )or a mechanical failure, red and yellow was 120mm or 7.62 failure/misfire. Green was for all guns clear. Can’t remember what the white marker was for in BATUS though.
From memory of far too many time on ranges,
Green = all weapons are clear,
Red = crew is at action and one or more weapons are loaded.
Yellow only = communications failure.
Red & yellow = misfire on the main armament or stoppage 7.62.
and I think Batus only
Red & green = weapons are loaded but made safe. I seem to remember this as a status that a Safety C/S would put you in if friendlies were going to move in front of you i.e. typically the tanks providing close support to the infantry while they assault the objective. The tanks would then push through the objective and supply protection in depth. Usually targets in the distance would the pop up to engage.
Can you remember what the white one was in BATUS …for the life me I can’t remember … The BATUS red and green now rings a bell you’ve said it …
I think it was a Batus only thing, never saw them outside of there but can’t remember what they were for. Could they have replaced the yellow flag?
That’s what I was thinking, white to replace the yellow as I haven’t seen any images with yellow markers and they were all generally kept close together. And they would need something to indicate the misfire drills. I think I will work on that basis unless I get a definite answer on if the yellow was used. Cheers Max
That’s all coming together nicely John, really like the addition of the turret marker, they’ll be a nice touch of colour on the finished vehicle, and something unique, don’t think I’ve seen them modelled on a build before…excellent and, as with your previous one, an educational build, .
G
To be honest I saw them in a few pictures and it jogged my memory, so thought it might be good to include them as best I could.
Certainly an nice, and unusual, touch John, .
G .
Thanks for the explanation, I was already wondering what they were for…
I got round to making some resemblance to hessian rolls. It’s just tissue rolled around a cocktail stick then sealed with PVA glue and then painted Khaki. I used light tan/Khaki cotton to secure them in place and bonded together with super glue.
I’m happy how it looks on the LH side, I really wanted like this so it hides the gap between the plates and hull due to the warp. It would on reality sit a bit lower on the actual plate and held in place by being tied around the skirt tie loops.
This is the RH side and here I will only have 1 Hessian roll over the rear 2 plates, mainly to hide the gap at the rear by the mudguard. I have already secured the cotton thread through the tie loops.
Have also placed the turret safety markers for an idea of what they will look like.
Finished the hessian rolls for the sides.
Their sole purpose is to hide the hull warp and the gap between the rear plate and the mudguards, which they do… so I’m happy.
I think that’s probably the last few major bits I had to do. So weathering now and then start on the Spartan for the Redtop safety…
Well, even if they were added just to hide a gap: they look great!
I couldn’t wait for the weathering to be done so had a look at the Spartan
I started by breaking it down as far as I need to. So all the hatches were cut out, some of the hatch arms suffered a bit of damage but all easily repairable. Then I worked away at the cupola until I was able to remove that. For this one all hatches will be closed. I want to show it as it would if it were next to a tank that’s at Action and firing, so on the Stillbrew, I will have the red turret marker up to show it’s on a firing serial.
I also had to cut out the GPMG, as a range safety wagon wouldn’t have one fitted. So it looks like I will be making at least part of another GPMG mount… Luckily the Striker one I did should ease the pain lol. I will need to scratch a few things like mudflaps and actually, I think that’s about all, so that sounds better already.
And Bert @bwilt , thanks for the kind words. Glad you think they look ok. Much appreciated
Well John the Hessian rolls look great. Just don’t tell anybody.
Matt, I think that ship sailed along time ago in the thread lol… Thanks for sticking around with the build though. Appreciated as always mate
Hi Johnny
I was intrigued about those markers, hadn’t seen/heard mention of them before, and finally got around to looking at my few BATUS ref pics. Apart from the Green & Red flags, I couldn’t find them, but most BATUS pics I have are pre Stillbrew, so perhaps they were a later addition?
Like the hessian rolls, but most I’ve seen have a degree of sag - or three
Mal
I can’t remember if they were used on the Mk9 when I was out there on that. To be honest, I probably wouldn’t of noticed either way as I to busy throwing myself around the inside of the turret loading the big gun and the Coax or sorting bomb loads out to get them in the order I wanted. I know they were on the Stillbrew wagons so it may of been a local upgrade by the safety staff. It also probably has something to do with these exercises were more often than not fast moving and at times safety staff would be a further away and watching you through binos, so the rigid markers stand out better than flags for a quick visual check for safety staff especially if there’s no wind blowing to move the flag. I
n Germany we only used flags and still used flags at Castle Martin on the ranges there, as safety were always a lot closer and the firing is more controlled.
Ref the hessian rolls, you’re right, they would normally have a bit of sag in them, but if I did that it would then show the hull warping … So sadly… Straight they will remain
Hi Johnny
Ok, Cool.
Mal