Jagdtiger/King Tiger barrel rod painting?

Tom,

The Bovington Tiger II was originally held at the Royal Military College of Science at Shrivenham, Oxfordshire, now the home of the Joint Staff College, though they still have - or did - a weapons collection wing there, with, amongst their remaining exhibits, a Leopard sort of sawn in half.

Many years ago, whilst still serving I fixed a trip there for myself and a mate. We were made very welcome - and had a very good lunch in the Mess; regarding the Tiger, I was informed that the Zimmerit had been re-applied by 2 keen Royal Armoured Corps SNCOs, using a proprietary floor adhesive. It was then re-painted.

The cleaning rods came from a Chieftain.

Eventually of course, it was transferred to Bovington.

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I have one question, what color was the sledgehammer and the fire extinguisher painted on the said vehicle?

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Hey, what type of wood is that? Beech,Walnut,Oak or Birch. One will want to use the proper shade of Brown.

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Nothing but the best German oak worthy of the tooling to defend the Fatherland.

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i can’t tell. isn’t this colorized?

Don’t bother mate, he’s obviously got some sort of attention defecit syndrome.

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Thought so. No doubt it spent a couple decades outside in the lovely British weather after the war, like so many others!

A good friend of mine who studied and taught at Shrivenham back in the day might have had more info on it, but without a Ouija board we’ll never know…

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‘Tis hopeless, I am afraid.

This all reminds me of when I was on Facebook and someone posted a wildly inaccurate assertion about this state’s history, presented as a largely unknown fun fact.

It was met with all the “ooh’s” and “ahh’s” you might expect. And it was repeated by others.

Me, being the usually nice guy that I am, rather than disprove this canard publicly, I messaged her with the actual facts.

As we have come to expect, this was met with a torrent of replies about the always unnamed “sources,” each reply doubling down further.

I was told she examined documents in a nearby town, but was unable to tell me where in this town, a name of who permitted her to see these heretofore unseen documents, other than it was “a lady with black hair” or anything else. Was it at a library? Where? I was never told.

So, it was all rather vague as to the actual sources, but rather specific as to the historical fiction with which she regaled her rapt Facebook audience.

The point of this is, this is how this stuff starts.

Misinterpret one German word and despite the later public correction, it grows into something like:

During Operation Highjump in 1947, Admiral Byrd singlehandedly disabled four red Panther IIs with a single LAW.

These Panther IIs were initially to be shipped on Andromeda Vril atomic haulers to their Mars colony, hence the red camouflage, but instead were transferred to Neuschwabenland in anticipation of the Allied landings.

Okay, that’s some reductio ad absurdum for sure, but you get my point. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

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Can you provide me with the sources that claim the oxide primer wasn’t destroyed? I’d very much like to read them if you have them on hand.

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Dear Paska

Thanks for your valuable contribution. I indeed have the Devey book on Jagdtigers. Idk when the pioneer tools were applied to tank. There WERE a huge number of panzers painted in the field for one reason and one reason alone: only the unit commander could tell what scheme the terrain environment and weather called for. The machines also had a paint sprayer compressor. Proof that field units painted at least many of their own vehicles lies in their self contained compressor. Thanks Paska

World War II German AFV Camouflage Painting Datasheet and Timeline

  1. December 1, 1927 – Nr. 17 Erdgelb-matt, Nr. 28 Gruen-matt, Nr. 18 Braun-matt.
  2. November 7, 1938 – Nr. 46 Dunkelgrau covering 2/3, Nr. 45 Dunkelbraun covering 1/3.
  3. July 31, 1940 – Dunkelgrau RAL 7021.
  4. February 18, 1943 – Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 basecoat, Olivgrun RAL 6003, Rotbraun RAL 8017.
  5. August 19, 1944 – Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 basecoat, Olivgrun RAL 6003, Rotbraun RAL 8017 in Hinterhalt – Tarnung (the “Ambush” scheme).
  6. September 31, 1944 – Rotoxid primer, “sparingly applied patches” of Dunkelgelb RAL 7028, Olivgrun RAL 6003, Rotbraun RAL 8017.
  7. November 20, 1944 – Olivgrun RAL 6003 basecoat, Dunkelgelb RAL 7028, Rotbraun RAL 8017 “in sharp contours”. (To go into full effect June 1, 1945).

Tropen Pattern

  1. March 17, 1941 – Grunbraun RAL 8000 covering 2/3, Graugrun RAL 7008 covering 1/3.
  2. March 25, 1942 – Gelbbraun RAL 8020 covering 2/3, Sandgrau RAL 7027 covering 1/3.

Dates are Inspektorate 2 order dates.
RAL Farbtonkarte of June 1932 and RAL Farbtonkarte of February 10, 1941.
Note that RAL Farbtonkarte was revised in 1953 and 1961. Current RAL numbers, colors and titles DO NOT match World War II Numbers, colors and titles.
NO GERMAN AFV EVER LEFT THE FACTORY IN RED OXIDE.

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Sladenyv,

I’m well aware of the camouflage painting application techniques utilized by the German armed forces during WWII. Please refer to the timeline of painting orders posted above by SSGToms. Starting from the beginning of the war, vehicle crews augmented their vehicles monotone or two-toned (prior to July 31st, 1940) finishes with field-applied additional camouflage paints, mud, whitewash, etc. The introduction of the Dunkelgelb basecoat on Feb.18th, 1943 lead to the universal, field-applied, (either by the crews or centrally coordinated by forward repair/supply depots), 3-tone camouflage in all of its mind-boggling variations.

This free-for-all of field-applied paint schemes largely came to an end with the order dated August 19th, 1944. I’m sure field-applied camo continued after this date, especially following repairs or vehicle field modification. However, the orders stand as follows, this page was copied from Jenzt and Doyles Germany’s Tiger Tanks, VK 45.02 to Tiger II, page 138;

Feel free to wade through this discussion on factory-applied Sturmgeschütz camo patterns;

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/did-alkett-only-use-dark-yellow-on-late-war-stugs-t332416.html

There’s plenty more where that came from, this rabbit hole is deep.

Just to pile on my previous statements concerning the late-war use of Red Oxide primer;

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I would agree up until a point; and that point is around Aug. ~ Sept. 1944, when most tanks were leaving the factories pre-painted, presumably so that they didn’t have to be camo’ed by their crews, and could roll immediately into action. This isn’t to claim that 100% of the tanks were factory painted, because there were some still in overall dark yellow. As for spray-paint equipment (compressors and spray guns) I believe they were discontinued mid-1944. As the front lines continually shrank, the environment (central Europe) become visually homogeneous, resulting in a (one size fits all) camo schemes!
:smiley: :canada:

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Probably…but whether B/W, or color, dark colors (or shades) are always going to appear dark. And in this case, a dark color (or shade) predominates, with only small patches of secondary lighter colors. It would appear that the darkest color (shade) would be Olive-Grun.
:smiley: :canada:

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Two abandoned German Jagdtiger heavy tank destroyers from the Schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 512 near Iserlohn, Germany, summer 1945.
Unique Olivgrün base.

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I have a bridge for sale, would you like to buy it?

Or, you can have some crayons to eat.

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@Sladenyv Daniel, check out the video with none other than Hilary Doyle talking about a late 1944 production Stug III G that’s still in its original paint.

He mentioned the fenders are in red oxide however the rest of the vehicle was painted as per normal in with the standard paints.

Masses of faded pink pig panzers rolling into combat for the last six months of the war is just another busted wide open myth.

Including this red oxide nonsense that’s due to a translation issue as previously mentioned.

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damn! yet another reference book i have to buy! I just picked up Schwere Panzer by Culver et al. There is a photo somewhere around page 40 i think where a crew member is using a spray gun to paint the tank in the field. The book comments on the photo by saying unit commanders directed that their vehicles be painted a certain way depending on terrain etc… This was my contention ab initio. i don’t think it’s very controversial. i have no doubt that some number of vehicles were camouflaged in the factory but the order placed would have to know in advance where the tank is going to be used and possibly the commander’s intent on paint schemes

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Is the photo you are referring to painting a Tiger ll? If so, that, I believe, is some of the first Tiger ll ( a mix of Porsche, and Henschel turret) issued to Abt 503 in Normandy, in August '44. 503’s next replacements in Sept. arrived factory painted.
:smiley: :canada:

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