Modelling armour in Ukraine crisis

One of the things I have noticed from Frenchy’s photo’s is that the thermal cover on the Russian and Ukranians tank barrels is often missing. Strange. On M1A1’s and 2’s I do not ever remember seeing a guntube missing its thermal cover.
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A second thing I noticed is how the explosive blocks are are not always in nice planes like what comes with a model. I see the mounts bent and curved.The rubber skirts are not really built to be a mounting structure.


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powder bags don’t like liquids very well, and that stuff getting into the breech creates a mess
gary

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Before

After…

For BMP-3 buffs

H.P.

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ah that video shows the new “self-assembly” tank being delivered lol

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I have a question about this BM-27 9P140 that @Frenchy posted.

I also have this pic of the same type.

So my question is why is it blue? I’ve never seen that shade of paint on a Russian ground vehicle before and I’ve been wondering about it. Any help would be much appreciated!

I see it as a faded light green.

Yes I guess it could be a badly faded color but it just seems too light and uniform- most of the rest of the vehicles of that type appear in ‘protective green’ like most Russian vehicles these days- that particular color can be seen on the following vehicles. That, to my eye, seems quite dark- could it really fade into that near-blue shade?

I think it must have been some other green to start with,
assuming that it has faded.

I Googled ‘Russian military green vehicle’ and found this little gem:


Pick any green you like …

Uniformly painted in Russian green …

More Russian greens

Russian radar vehicle captured by Ukrainian SF

Green with blueish tint

and a light green Smerch

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Here’s a Russian BM-27 from the 943rd Artillery Regiment in Crimea (2015)

H.P.

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Yes I see the fading there @Frenchy and @Uncle-Heavy - I also have seen lots of pics from those tank yards where the Russians and Ukranians store their older/not in service tanks and vehicles and you can see all the different green shades. I dunno, just still seems on the blue side to me but it probably is just a badly faded green coupled with the lighting/weather and camera settings etc. Just wondering about it out loud I suppose!

The ‘robot’ vehicle has a blueish tint to it even if I would not call it blue

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No, they are not! But try telling that to contest judges and rivet counters!

@Gary_Totty @18bravo On tanks, we used to punch the gun tubes pretty often; at a minimum before aand after Gunnery. Also, before Gunnery, the tubes would get borescoped to inspect them for damage or flaws. Nobody wants to come home like this:
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Ken

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We had to gauge plug bore our barrels every morning before you were allowed to fire. The REME (our engineers) used to put it in at breech end and it would slide to the muzzle. if anything stopped it they used to slide and inspection mirror up there on rods to look at it.

A nice analysis of the somewhat bizarre measures the Russians have come to to protect their vehicles.

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It’s going to depend what version of the Dana Slovakia sends. Many of them have been upgraded to the M2000 Zuzana version, which uses a NATO compatible 155mm gun, so the kit version would not be applicable as the gun is quite different. I’m assuming that Slovakia still has some that have not been upgraded to the Zuzana, but the original Danas have also been upgraded with new fire control systems. I think the differences are all internal (although not entirely sure), so if these are sent the kit could be used.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQDuqsTXoAEould?format=jpg&name=large

https://novostivl.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/11/3-1200x740.jpg

H.P.

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Could be RPG-28
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG_(Waffe)#/media/Datei:RPG-28_grenade_launcher_at_Interpolitex-2016_01.jpg

Quote from the article:
" Lt Colonel (retd) in the Indian Army and military analyst J.S Sodhi explained EurAsian Times the rationale behind a technologically superior army like that of Russia using wooden logs, metal scraps, and cut-outs as armor: “The Javelins, NLAWs, and the TB2s have tandem warheads. Each of these warheads has a cone followed by the slug (explosive). When a warhead hits the tank, the cone creates a hole that enables the slug to enter the tank and then destroy the tank.

Using bamboo screens, wooden logs, and lightweight armor, the cone creates a hole in them and since there is a gap between these screens and the tank, the slug explodes in the air and the tank does not get affected. These measures are proving to be very effective for the Russian tanks to thwart the Ukrainian anti-tank measures.”"

I posted a marketing video from Bofors showing how the warhead from an AT-4 projectile punched through both sides of a BMP-1 and into a witness plate many metres (roughly the length of the BMP) behind the target. Logs or bamboo sticks will not make any difference. As soon as the detonator is triggered there will be holes.
Good to know that colonel Sodhi is retired, wouldn’t want him making decisions …
I seriously hope that something has been lost in translation because that explanation makes no sense at all

NLAW eating ERA, armour plate and three witness plates:

Add som stand-off bamboo sticks for total protection …

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As everybody talks about armred drones, heres two pics about the size of such a vehicle.



It´s an RQ-5 unarmed recon drone, but it could carry as MQ-5 laser-guided bombs.

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