Vietnam tanker truck - question, please help

Hello everybody!
I would like, one day, to build a fuel tanker from the Vietnam war. Researching (I like this job!) I’ve found a nice reference photo of a truck from Vietnam, this one:

At first I thought: Nice, that’s all I need.

But then I took another look and said: Are you joking? Why does it say on the side: “Flammable” and under that in small letters “Potable water”?

Could somebody explain that to me? I don’t like modelling things I don’t understand, at least a little bit… Thanks in advance for all your help and have a nice day

Paweł

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Yeah, none of us understand it. I found the same pic when I did my M49A2 rebuild as a Vietnam one.

https://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/182426.aspx

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I never thought that “Potable Water” was flammable. Hmm…learn something new everyday. :wink:

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Firewater ? :roll_eyes:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/firewater

H.P.

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I don’t understand it either but I think I’d model it as it’s shown and keep a copy of the pic to fend off the inevitable questions :sunglasses:

Edit: from a quick Google “potable water can be flammable if it contains methane gas. Methane is a naturally occurring gas that can seep into wells, especially when the ground is disturbed by drilling or earthquakes. When water with dissolved methane comes into contact with air, the methane escapes and can ignite if lit. This can create a fireball and pose a significant fire and explosion hazard

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… and once you start building, you might find a few details in my build report:
https://panzer-modell.de/berichte/m49a2c/m49e.php
Peter

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:open_book: It actually makes sense because the phonetic, “FLAMMABLE” isn’t a word in the English language. The word we are all thinking of is actually, “Inflammable” :closed_book:

So, with that said, I say build it. :grin:

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/flammable-or-inflammable#:~:text=It’s%20a%20trick%20question.,to%20the%20Modern%20English%20speaker.

H.P.

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Just a suggestion, touch base with the US Army Quartermaster Museum, they might be able to shed some light on this. They have a web site and were very helpful when I had some questions regarding WWII rations. That tanker is a puzzle to me, somewhere in my (very old) memory, I think I recall trucks with 2 separate tanks, but they were for gasoline and diesel, I can’t imagine water and gas on the same vehicle.
I think you should just build it as shown in the photo, good conversation starter.

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The Wikipedia article on Tank Truck contains an interesting statement.

Some tank trucks are able to carry multiple products at once due to compartmentalization of the tank into 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or, in some rare cases, more tank compartments. This allows for an increased number of delivery options. These trucks are commonly used to carry different grades of gasoline to service stations to carry all products needed in one trip.

Is it possible the tank on that truck has more than one compartment and can therefore carry fuel and water at the same time?

If a fuel and water truck is hit in combat, perhaps the water naturally douses or reduces the destructive potential of the fuel load. Is that a thing?

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Yes, but you don’t usually carry fuel and water together (on the same vehicle) so there is less of a chance of cross contamination or using the wrong product in a vehicle or piece of equipment. Drinking fuel would be bad, as would putting water into a vehicle fuel tank.

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I suspect one would be guaranteed to be detected before it causes problems, the other might not be.

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Ever drink from a water buffalo ? Or the water at camp lajune? :joy:

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If both fuel and water trucks look identical then perhaps the warning is to ensure there are no mishaps- just in case someone thinks it was safe to light up since it’s only a water truck. A big ‘Flammable’ warning would ensure no mistakes!

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Hello everybody!
Thanks a lot for your comments!
I’m so glad this discussion got so rich and so interesting.
In Gino’s thread he told about an idea, that a water tanker might get converted into a fuel truck after it got contaminated. I’m not so sure about that, but wars know weirder stories, right? It sure is hard to tell a fuel tanker from a water tanker on a photo like this.

Camouflaging a water tanker as a fuel tanker would be like writing “shoot at me”, right?

@Frenchy - firewater is an idea that appeals to me, too!
@PzAufkl - thanks for the link, very interesting, I will surely use it!
@SFCJJC - good idea, I’ll see if they have something for me, thanks!
@Damraska - even if they weren’t afraid of fuel contamination, like Gino wrote, the water wouldn’d be potable after unloading…
@Karl187 - that’s an interesting hypothesis!
And to all that say “build it” - I say that’s how I feel it too!

I’ll do some more research and if someboady has more ideas pleas do post them here. And when I get to building this, I will definitely post the build on this forum!

Thanks again and have a nice day

Paweł

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We wish the military would deliver “firewater” by tanker truck! :tumbler_glass: :clinking_glasses:
Ken

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Hello!
I just got an answer from the Quartermaster Museum. They write they can’t help me, but directed me to the Fort Eustis Transportation Museum, they also sent me some links, where I can continue my reserach, which I intend to do…

Have a nice day!

Paweł

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Hello everybody!

So I finally decided to build that tanker!

The best explanation I came across for the funny markings is that a fuel truck has been pressed to transport water (in war that happens) but they didn’t get rid of the “Flammable” inscriptions because they expected to get back to hauling fuel some day. I sure wouldn’t want to drink that water…
At the same time we have here a “gasser” version of the “deuce and a half”.

The base for my build is the AFV Club kit:

176525-15772-15-pristine.jpg

The kit shows the later version of the fuel tanker, so there will be some converting…

I started with the chassis:

chassis01.jpg

I replaced the grabhandles on the frame to match the photos of a “gasser” that I got from a collector owning a similar truck.

When assembling the axles it’s good to put the whole thing on an even surface, to prevent some of the wheels from hanging in the air later:

chassis03.jpg

As you can see I have scratchbuilt a new frame crossmember under the cab (the mounting of the transfer case will be a little different). I’m also building a different front engine mount crossmember for the gas engine.

The engine itself is simplified in the kit and I think I’ll stick with this solution, but I’ll have to rework it a little, to show the gas engine. Now it looks like this:

chassis04.jpg

I filled the ejector pin marks and I closed up the hole in the fender for the exhaust stack. From what I see I’ll have to make a new oil pan and maybe this will be enough.

So that’s it for now - thanks for looking and have a nice day

Paweł

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Hello everybody!
My best wishes for you in the new year!

A small update here:

chassis05.jpg

I have installed the air tanks to match the photos I have, the transfer case is also installed as are the propeller shafts and the rear crossmember. The front crossmember is ready to be installed as soon as I figure out the details of the front of the gas engine.

Thanks for looking and have a nice day!

Paweł

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Happy New Year, everybody!
Pawel: Your build looks very good so far, but you might add two more copper wire “grabhandles”, aka tiedown eyes, on both sides of the frame: one right behind the front bumper and the other one above the first rear axle.
Edit: Please read Vodnik’s review of the kit at vodnik.net

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